On Tue, 2020-03-31 at 13:08 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:48:55AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > Some failure of process or communication must have occurred > > somewhere along the lines, because open source should have been the > > first and most important requirement. A proprietary software > > solution is incompatible with the ethos and purpose of the Fedora > > project. I ask CPE to revise its requirements list to include open > > source as the first and most important requirement from the Fedora > > community. If that's incompatible with CentOS's need for merge > > request approvals or whatever else, then we need to accept that > > sharing the same forge is simply not going to work. > > Obviously open source is one of our key foundations. And it is part > of who > we are even before those foundations were drafted. Nonetheless, I > want to > gently discuss this a little bit. We make an entirely open source and > free > software operating system. We support and promote and advocate for > open > source and free content. But we can't do everything, and at some > point, this > becomes "this is why we can't have nice things". I see that you've > made > contributions to other open source projects on GitHub and (hosted) > GitLab > this month. Lots of Fedora contributors have and will continue to do > so. > Many use that as their main hosting. It's not ideal, but it's not the > end of > the world. I don't see Fedora making use of non-open hosted services > as the > end of the world either, if that is what is best for us. > > We did communicate as the very top line of our gathered requirements > that > open source is essential to our community and central to our > feedback. I'm > not trying to be soft on that. Let's just not do purity-test level > assessments and instead focus on our goals. > I actually have just one question about this decision, because so far, and I read a lot, but not all mails regarding this, haven't answered that: Let's say the scenario is that we run GitLab EE for Fedora. Can we make sure that at least all customization and modifications that are done by Fedora contributors or in the name of Fedora executed by the Gitlab team, will end up in GitLab-foss i.e. open source? And what really makes me wonder in the whole process: According to various mails from the CPE the deal that will come out, like features, price, … is not yet figured out. Not even the plan what GitLab version CPE is about to go for. But the decision to go for GitLab is already made? How does that work and isn't that basically torpedoing every price negotiation? Hope we can figure those questions out. -- Signed Sheogorath OpenPGP: https://shivering-isles.com/openpgp/0xFCB98C2A3EC6F601.txt
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