On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:11 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski <dominik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Monday, 06 April 2020 at 12:41, Leigh Griffin wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 9:36 PM Randy Barlow <bowlofeggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > On 4/4/20 3:02 PM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > > However we do
> > > recognize that it was still nonetheless a decision that was not made
> > > in public, and for that we can only now offer our apologies for this
> > > mistake and learn a hard lesson from it.
> >
> > It's simply not true that this is the only thing that can be done. You
> > can hold off on making a decision, and follow an open process instead.
>
> We are engaged with the Fedora Council on the next steps here for the
> adoption of Gitlab / the retirement of Pagure from the CPE remit. That much
> of the decision has been made, the actual specifics are what we are
> engaging on to make sure that the Fedora needs are satisfied as we move
> forward.
The majority here is telling you to hold off execution of that
"decision" and revisit it, but you're ignoring those voices entirely and
offering useless "apologies" instead. You cannot pretend to be part of a
community if you just ignore its other members and do your own thing.
I'm reaffirming that I hear the concerns and that my team are taking them on board. I am also reaffirming that our engagement point is with the Fedora Council, not at the individual level as the Council is responsible for listening and collating those concerns and speaking on behalf of the entire community. It is not for me to change how that process works so please reach out to your Council reps and engage through that channel.
> > > We do want to let you know that we deeply appreciate the requirements
> > > you have given us and would like to ask you to continue engaging with
> > > us while we are moving through our next steps with GitLab.
> >
> > What would be the goal if the community were to continue to engage with
> > CPE management when it has demonstrated that it does not meaningfully
> > engage with the community?
>
> Your engagement influences how this will look in the future, we have enough
> gathered to ensure that is the case but given the breadth and depth of
> Fedora, we do wish for people to engage.
You cannot wish for meaningful engagement in the future if you don't fix
your past mistakes and reverse bad decisions.
I'm happy to fix mistakes, I think it's a wonderful learning opportunity when One encounters a mistake and overcomes it down the line again. Bad decision here is subjective, you have your view on it and I have mine, both are entitled to it.
Regards,
Dominik
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