Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: ELN Buildroot and Compose

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Nicolas Mailhot via devel <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

> Le mercredi 25 mars 2020 à 13:09 +0100, Aleksandra Fedorova a écrit :
>> Miro Hrončok <mhroncok@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> As I mentioned in the previous mail, branching goes against the
>> purpose of the effort.
>> 
>> What we like to achieve is to create a continuous flow from Fedora
>> Rawhide through branched Fedora all the way to downstream, which is
>> sometimes CentOS and sometimes EPEL.
>
> Then please work with @rh engineering to get an up-to-date packaging
> stack in EL (that means, latest stable Fedora rpm and latest stable
> Fedora packaging macros, and all the other things that make packager
> work less a shore).
>
> A huge amount of EL ifdefs is directly caused by the staleness of the
> packaging stack in EL. That’s why so much Fedora stuff never makes it
> in EPEL. Most people Fedora side do not want to deal with the utter
> clustefuck of trying to push complex up to date software to EL using
> inadequate obsolete tooling.
>
> No amount of clever ifdefing is going to mitigate this tooling
> staleness. No amount of poking is going to convince people that *do*
> *not* *want* *to* *deal* *with* *el* *braindamage* to accept
> braindamage side-effects in their own Fedora specs. That’s trying to
> put lipstick on a pig.

This is not "being excellent to each other".  Let's keep in mind that we
are all here for the same reason (Fedora), and that this makes us
colleagues - including the people who make EL.

Thanks,
--Robbie

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