On 3/19/20 2:43 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:37 PM Ty Young <youngty1997@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 3/19/20 2:18 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
On 12/03/2020 22:34, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Sat, Mar 07, 2020 at 11:33:04PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
It is very, very wrong and I don't feel I should have to make a public
request like this. Nonetheless, there is a certain type of person who
Daniel, to request re-instatement, please follow the process outlined
in the original code-of-conduct suspension notice you received. A
public post is not necessary.
Personally, I feel offended by your choice of words
A suspension of a blog may itself be a violation of the Code of Conduct
if the blog was written in good faith
I never received one complaint about my blog from anybody in the Fedora
world. Several people noticed when it disappeared though.
The blog post in question discussed a conflict of interest between the
leaders of two free software organizations, the Debian Project Leader
and the OSI board president. As I interacted with both of them
personally, I felt that I was qualified to share my observations.
That topic itself was forced into the public because one of the people
party to the conflict of interest had spread gossip about me and the
other used her speech at an event for humiliating volunteers.
It feels like Codes of Conduct apply to some people and not others. As
George Orwell puts it, /All animals are equal but some animals are more
equal than others/.
Have you seen Gnome's CoC? It literally allows racism. There was a bit
of an uproar about it, and Gnome foundation/developers members refused
to change it.
(Gnome and Fedora are very incestous projects, so yes, it is relevant)
Now that communism is the cool, hip ideology in town, Gnome/Fedora are
embracing it. Book burning is the next step, but one might argue the
deletion of discussion threads and blogs already *is* that step.
Please stop insinuating things that are not true. Fedora and GNOME are
no more "incestuous" than any other combination of upstream projects
with Fedora. Many developers of many projects choose to use Fedora and
maintain packages in the distribution.
How many of those projects are sponsored by the same large corporation?
How many distros are flagships for DEs?
It doesn't mean that those
projects are tightly woven in such a way that they behave identically
or have the same governance model.
I will note that Fedora and GNOME *do* have very different models of governance.
Fedora's Code of Conduct[1] asks people to be excellent to each other.
When talking about governance issues, being excellent to other
volunteers means telling them the truth about leadership problems in the
free software world.
Being excellent to leaders who behave badly means keeping a focus on the
issues. For example, when blogging about two people with a romantic
conflict of interest, I would never speculate about their first date and
other personal details, I would only focus on the way their decision
making was impaired.
Even this week there are people writing public comments alleging I had a
conflict of interest, but that is false. I named Chris Lamb and Molly
de Blanc because their conflict of interest was at the root of certain
problems. At least one member of Debian's mentoring team also had a
conflict of interest with an intern. I didn't identify them out of
concerns for student privacy. Nonetheless, when people spread gossip,
leadership figures have a responsibility to stop it, but they didn't,
they added fuel to the fire and they continue to do so even now.
If the leaders of organizations can behave like that, why should the
Code of Conduct deny a volunteer a right of reply?
Silly Daniel, you aren't supposed to question the supreme leaders. You
have to fall in line and never question anything.
If you need help understanding, I recommend reading up on what's going
on in China right now. Concentration camps, book burning, police
brutality, people vanishing, etc...
This is not how Fedora works *at all*. If anything, I'm proof of that,
as are many other Fedora contributors. It doesn't mean you have to be
a terrible human while disagreeing with people.
"terrible human" is completely subjective. People can be and often are
biased, especially in a community so "passionate".
I seem to remember a certain thread about X. Org server running as
root(breaking applications as a result) that went south in large part
because of people having beef with Nvidia not releasing their driver
under an open source license. Instead of dealing with the people causing
issues, it continued to go south, until it was nuked and censored by the
supreme leaders.
But that's OK... because ideology.
Oh, and when called out about the censorship on places like Medium &
Reddit, people who apparently have the ability to uncensor threads(AKA
higher ups) here attempted to weaponize it by threats as if it was
somehow damning and later only uncensored parts of the whole thread.
But you're right, *totally* not communism.
Please stop making untrue and unkind comparisons.
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