On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 09:05:27PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Monday, February 10, 2020 12:03:25 PM MST Robbie Harwood wrote: > > "John M. Harris Jr" <johnmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > > > On Saturday, January 25, 2020 2:52:05 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > >> Question and (pre)proposal: > > >> > > >> Can Fedora converge on a single swap-on-ZRAM implementation, and if > > >> so, which one? Fedora Workstation WG wants to move to swap-on-ZRAM by > > >> default in Fedora 33, and the working group needs to pick something > > >> soon. > > > > > > Using swap on zram disables the ability to hibernate, making it a > > > non-starter for many users. If this is going to be thrown into > > > anything, the user needs to be asked whether they want it or not in > > > the installer, otherwise you're just taking away features. > > > > I thought you told me that the workstation group considers hibernation > > unsupported? (id:2368390.zU9c8gpsLA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) > > > > Thanks, > > --Robbie > > They do, but that doesn't negate the fact that it is actually supported (you > can hibernate your system), and using swap on zram outright breaks hibernation > (for obvious reasons). This discussion is mixing up two different interpretations of meaning of "supported". - Supported, as in, "this use case is in scope & is a release criteria" vs - Supported, as in, "the functionality works from a technical POV" Thus since hibernation is declared an unsupported use case, the fact that it might happen to work from a technical POV is merely good fortune and is not required to stay that way, even if some people might be using that now. IOW, if swap-on-ZRAM benefits core supported use cases, then it can be acceptable to break unsupported use cases even if the latter currently work at a technical POV. Enabling this kind of trade off to be made is precisely why it is beneficial to define the scope of a product for what is supported vs unsupported. Regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :| _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
