On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 7:51:38 PM MST Solomon Peachy wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 07:33:12PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > > Again, you're projecting from an anecdote of one. My anecdote of one is > > that the vast majority of system in my company (around 400 employees > > IIRC) don't have an optical drive. I'm actually not sure if any of the > > desktops have one (since every once in a while someone will come around > > None of the IT-department-provided systems at my last two employers came > with optical drives, and even if requested it would have been fulfilled > in the form of a portable USB drive sent along separately. > > "Enterprises" tend to refresh their equipment every three years or so, > and it's been nearly two full refresh cycles since CD drives were > considered standard equipment for end-user systems. It's been even > longer for servers; after all, why waste the money and physical space on > an optical drive that will only be used once? I'd agree, in most environments, most end user systems are generally refreshed in a timeline under 5 years. For servers, it varies from under 10 years to never. There is definitely hardware that never gets updated though, even if the OS is updated, or re-installed. It's simply not the case that optical drives have been uncommon on end-user systems for over 6 years. As we found earlier in this thread, they're on 1/3rd of stock desktops from a standard consumer vendor, and on most systems that are sold to enterprise customers as designed to run RHEL, at least from one of the major vendors of enterprise hardware. > Granted, there's a long tail of older equipment that was > shipped/equipped with a CD drive, but let's be honest, you'd have to go > back more than a decade to find something that can't also boot off a USB > stick -- placing one firmly in the territory where performance, > operating costs, and especially reliability of that old equipment is of > significant concern. This is simply not the case. Please see the earlier posts in this thread on that topic for just a few examples. It's certainly true that newer pre-built systems are less likely to come with an optical drive stock. That said, Fedora runs on much more than just systems produced within the last 10 years. For example, the laptop I'm using to send this message is now 11 years old. All of my personal servers are between 9 and 12 years old. These all run Fedora, without issue. I'm definitely not the only one running Fedora on "old" hardware. > (FWIW, I have Fedora installed on two such systems, and yes, their > reliability has taken a significant nosedive..) How so? Do you believe it's an issue with Fedora, or with the systems themselves? I'd be happy to help you diagnose this off-list, or on the users list. -- John M. Harris, Jr. Splentity _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
