On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 05:30:14PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 16:52 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: [snip] > > This doesn't change the fact that many Python scripts *cannot run on Python > > 3*. Debian is not a museum piece either, and yet they don't just kill the old > > version. The two versions can, and do, work when both installed in parallel. > > We are, uh, aware of this. They have been installed in parallel on most > Fedora installs for like a decade now. > > BTW, there is another point here which you may not appreciate: Fedora > and Debian aren't really in competition. Fedora does not see its job as > being to Conquer The World and have everyone run Fedora. Fedora is > targeted at particular purposes and particular audiences. If a given > feature isn't actually driving Fedora's mission forward in any way, > it's reasonable to consider not having it any more, or at least not > making it a core part of the distribution and subject to blocking > requirements and so on. There comes a point at which we don't need to > support Python 2 for the people and use cases at which Fedora is aimed. > Will there still be people who need Python 2 for *something* at this > point? Probably! But, just as you point out, if so, they can get it > somewhere else. > > Someone using Debian instead of Fedora because they need Python 2 isn't > necessarily a *problem* for Fedora. It's only a problem if it would've > served Fedora's goals and purposes for that person to be using Fedora. > If what they do isn't really a part of Fedora's goals...why should we > worry about them using Debian? Debian is a fine distribution. Nothing > wrong with it. > > To put it another way...Debian and Fedora have different purposes and > different goals. Us dropping Python 2 earlier than Debian do is *things > working the right way*. We (arguably) do more than Debian to drive the > adoption and stabilization of new technologies - new stuff tends to > show up in Fedora earlier than it shows up in Debian. Debian (arguably) > does more than we do to provide long-term support for older software > and support for alternate architectures. This is a *good* thing. It's > an ecosystem that helps everyone. Also, well, Debian *is* dropping Python 2 in its next release: - https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2019/07/msg00080.html - https://wiki.debian.org/Python/2Removal Many Python 2 modules have been dropped already, many others will be dropped in the coming months. Yes, there are complications such as Calibre, but this is, for all intents and purposes, practically a release goal now. Sorry for contributing to the more-and-more-off-topic rant, but I just felt the need to point this out, since I've seen it mentioned a couple of times recently. G'luck, Peter -- Peter Pentchev roam@{ringlet.net,debian.org,FreeBSD.org} pp@xxxxxxxxxxxx PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint 2EE7 A7A5 17FC 124C F115 C354 651E EFB0 2527 DF13
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