Re: What are the benefits of default modular streams over non-modular packages?

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On 14. 11. 19 17:22, Fabio Valentini wrote:
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:57 PM Miro Hrončok <mhroncok@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello, in this thread (Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in
Non-Modular Buildroot)

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/JNTMUOBZHHCEOV7KS7MRNOBO6VGGT7RX/

I've asked whether it wouldn't be in fact much easier to keep the default
versions of our packages non-modular.

Others have said they are interested in this as well. A huge thread happened but
it hasn't delivered an answer.
Arguments were made that default modular streams are planned to deliver the
exact same experience as non-modular packages, yet it was not said if it
wouldn't be easier to just deliver non-modular packages for default versions.

Maybe it would be helpful to try to reformulate the question:


**What are the benefits of default modular streams over non-modular packages?**


I'll admit that I personally don't see any benefits, but of course that doesn't
mean that they don't exist or that it's not worth having this discussion.

(snip)

Considering we have 6 default modular streams,

Just to make this explicit for the people who don't know how to
determine this themselves (which includes me):
Which six modules do provide a default stream? I can't seem to tell by
looking at any modules' yaml files.

I've took that number from the document linked in:

https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2255#comment-610332

It lists the following 6 modules:

dwm:6.2
avocado:69lts
scala:2.10
ant:1.10
gimp:2.10
maven:3.5

It also lists the eclipse module as a potential candidate. I've decide not to count it, because at the same time, gimp is dropping the default in:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1772469

So either way, we are at 6.

I thing the canonical source of this data is:

https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-module-defaults/tree/master

If I understand the format correctly, the yamls that have the stream key have default.

  [fedora-module-defaults (master)]$ rg -F -g '!tests' 'stream: '
  ant.yaml
  5:    stream: 1.10

  dwm.yaml
  6:    stream: 6.2

  gimp.yaml
  5:    stream: 2.10

  scala.yaml
  5:    stream: 2.10

  maven.yaml
  5:    stream: 3.5

  avocado.yaml
  5:    stream: 69lts


I hope this counts as a clarifying question, and not as a negative
"this is difficult to figure out" criticism ;)

It does count as clarifying question :)

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