Robbie Harwood <rharwood@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>
>> My intention was to provide some scope to the problem, because it
>> seemed that a lot of alternatives being floated were not seeing some
>> of the more subtle cases that we were trying to address. However, the
>> biggest problem is that nearly every email to the list has been
>> started with a "Begging the Question" Fallacy. People have started
>> from the premise that "Modularity is Bad" and all of the rest of the
>> conversation has continued from there. I'd like to provide an
>> opportunity for us as a community to *constructively* state our
>> grievances with Modularity. The fundamental root cause of some of the
>> miscommunication is, I believe, that Modularity has problems and that
>> people have assumed that they are fundamental and unfixable.
>
> Your framing here precludes a complete redesign, and that option needs
> to be on the table for any real progress in communication and trust to
> be made. If others have "begged" that "modularity is bad", you have
> done the same for "modularity is good".
It's really frustrating to be repeatedly told we're not arguing in good
faith and then see things like this (from today's fesco meeting [1]):
15:48:07 <sgallagh> Can we please stop pretending like "start over
from scratch" is a real option?
Starting from scratch should be an option. Removing modularity entirely
should be an option. Of course, so should be using modularity as it
exists (or modifying it), but if we don't have those first two as
options when there are proponents, this isn't a real technical
discussion.
Thanks,
--Robbie
1: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-11-11/fesco.2019-11-11-15.00.log.html
As far as I can tell, this is specifically about "encourag[ing]
packagers to leave things ursine and use modules only for
alternatives", so my quoting is actually more generous than the
context suggests.
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