Have you tried using https://github.com/fedora-modularity/depchase? That basically does what you are doing and with some small changes it can perform much more things. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:27 PM Troy Dawson <tdawson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:58 PM Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 8:00 PM Troy Dawson <tdawson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > I would like to introduce a plan I call Square 1 [1][2] > > > > > > There are two goals to Square 1. > > > The first is to get, and keep, the core buildroot[3] packages, self-hosting[4]. > > > The second is to get the list of core buildroot packages as small as possible. > > > > Why can't this be done as part of the minimisation objective? To have > > yet another project with another name and another focus and set of > > tools just appears to be a little bizarre > > > > I'd love for it to fold into the Minimization project. > That project has a better name, and Adam is much more familiar with > getting things done properly in Fedora. > Currently, the Minimization project is geared towards only binaries, > and not the source dependencies. It is still getting setup and on > it's feet. I'm worried that throwing source and dependency tree's at > it will knock it down before Minimizations infrastructure is in place. > > But, I'm looking at when we need to get started for RHEL9, and I've > seen how slow things can take when dealing with Fedora dependencies, > and it has me concerned. I'd like to get the discussion started now, > so hopefully we have some things figured out and possibly working by > the time it is needed. > > Is the name confusing? Yep. But Square1 is all I could think of at the time. > Can/Should this be merged into Minimization? Yes, that is my hope. > Or, at least a good part of it get's merged in there. Eventually. > > > > What are the benefits to Square 1? > > > More stable release and less failed builds. > > > If we are able to shrink binaries, faster koji builds. > > > Smoother initial creation of RHEL 9.[5] > > > > > > What are the milestones to get these benefits? > > > - Get initial list of "core binaries" > > > - write/find software that will find binary/source dependencies > > I've been looking at the dnf plugins, specifically builddep. > If we can get that to be recursive, that would help tremendously. > > Looking at the plugins, we should also be able to help the > Minimization project get their list of packages in a usable format. > Currently they are installing all their packages (I believe in a > container), and then grabbing the rpm database from that. I think we > should be able to make a plugin that generates the list of packages > that would be installed, and instead of installing them, generates an > repo and/or rpm database. > > > > - write/find software that will track binary/source dependencies > > > - write/find/setup automation that finds and tracks binary/source > > > dependencies, so people can easily see what has changed over time. > > > - work with package maintainers to trim down binary/source dependencies > > > -- trimming out "extra" package languages. (ex: perl for a > > > minor script, when everything is in python.) > > > -- trimming functionality and/or moving functionality to sub-packages > > > or separate package. > > > - integrate these tests into the rawhide gating system, to alert when > > > new dependencies have been added. > > > > > > Much of this work overlaps with the Fedora Minimization efforts.[6] > > > Square 1 hopes to utilize, rather than duplicate, their efforts. And > > > maybe some tools created for Square 1 can help the minimization > > > efforts. > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > Ideas? > > > Comments? > > > > > > Troy Dawson > > > > > > [1] - Square 1 is at the heart of Ring Zero > > > [2] - This has nothing to do with the company or software with a > > > similar sounding name. > > > [3] - The core buildroot is the packages in @buildsys-build, and > > > everything needed to build those packages. > > > [4] - self-hosting is the ability to build all the packages on themselves. > > > [5] - Yep, I said it. We're already looking at RHEL 9. > > > [6] - https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/minimization/ > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
