On 10/17/19 1:32 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 03:05:43PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: >> Realistically, I believe that default streams themselves are something we >> should avoid, if the cost is low, and it is. There are many users, >> probably the vast majority of users, that don't use Modularity. It's great >> to have the option available, but to force it upon them is really >> unfortunate. > > I don't think characterizing this as "forced upon users" is a good framing. > It's unnecessarily hostile. Users who happen to get packages which are in a > default stream shouldn't experience any practical difference from having a > non-modular package. > I don't like the language either, but it's undeniable that dealing with modules is different than dealing with normal packages. Enabling a module excludes those packages in the module from "normal" depsolving. I've just run into that with the RHEL8 rhn-tools module which provides koan (and excludes cobbler). I couldn't install my own cobbler or koan packages (with higher EVRs) from my copr until I disabled that module - and it was not easy to figure that out. I'm also not adverse to learning new ways of doing things. I think modules can still provide some clear benefits to users and developers eventually, but let's not pretend there are no differences involved. -- Orion Poplawski Manager of NWRA Technical Systems 720-772-5637 NWRA, Boulder/CoRA Office FAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane orion@xxxxxxxx Boulder, CO 80301 https://www.nwra.com/
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