On Tue, 2019-09-17 at 16:56 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 17. 09. 19 16:39, jkonecny@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > Hi Miro, > > > > No, I did not wanted to tell that the python 3.8 transition was > > badly > > executed. The problem was more about timing. > > > > I was fighting with Fedora 31 and we had Rawhide as replacement for > > F31 > > tests because the environment is usually not that different. > > However, > > when the switch to python 3.8 happened, there were no compose ready > > for > > Fedora 31. In the end we were with broken tests and even broken > > backup > > tests solution. I had to found third solution. > > As soon as Fedora branches is IMHO actually the best timing for > making rawhide > different. It means that people might actually stop breaking branched > for a > while focusing on the rawhide differences :D > > Either way, here are two ideas about what bothers you: > > 1) Stop caring about compose, test/build against koji > > Add the local repo to your test system (mock/copr/whatnot): > > https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/repos/f31-build/latest/x86_64/ I'm not sure you want everyone to use this mirror for everything. I guess that is not purpose of this. Also you're loosing the benefit of the compose could be created check. > > 2) Maybe we should freeze immediately after we branch and only allow > compose > fixes to go in until the first successful branched compose? That also looks like an interesting plan. That may help to get compose ready sooner. > > > > Pylint is never prepared for the switch. If something crucial is > > > depending on > > > pylint, it should stop. > > > > However, when you opened this discussion. Why we are not waiting > > for > > pylint to be ready? Is there a reason? I mean pylint is one of the > > main > > linters available for python, so having python without working > > pylint > > looks kind of fragile to me. > > Because pylint is never ready in time. The upstream doesn't work on > 3.X problems > when we do (usually responding something like: "the current pylint > doesn't > support 3.X, 3.X support is planned for the next release"). And that > is > completely fine in my POV. > > There are around 3000 Python 3 packages in Fedora. We carefully > decide what > packages we "wait" for. It's not a defined set, but mostly we look if > the > following works: > > - default package set in blocking media > - critpath > - fedpkg, bodhi, koji, mock... > > pylint simply isn't blocking anything "important". Having Python > without working > pylint is completely fine. Linters are optional. When you want to run > tests, you > don't need linters. If you disagree (and that's fine as well) and > want to make > this better next time, you can co-maintain pylint [1] and when we > update to 3.9, > you can provide patches. The Python Maintenance team will not > (because we don't > consider pylint important). Interesting they don't use any linters or just using different one? Don't you know? > > > I also want to tell you thanks a lot for doing all the work about > > python migration it's not an easy task and you are doing great work > > there! > > Thanks. > > [1] > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/E5TJ5YD52RN2CI6TKLKOQXZNXFELZCCN/ > _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
