On Monday, September 9, 2019 8:51:48 AM MST Tomasz Torcz wrote: > On Mon, Sep 09, 2019 at 04:39:47AM -0700, John M. Harris Jr. wrote: > > > > > > > > > This is precisely the issue with GNOME entirely. It assumes the user > > > > shouldn't > > > > have a choice, that some designers know best. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, precisely *your* issue. I’d rather someone think for me as far as > > > defaults go and not give me a quest to set everything up just right > > > every time I install the DE. > > > > > > > > > Decisions such as this, inspired by the idea that *somebody* knows best, > > and it just works for everyone, are precisely why I won't be able to > > deploy RHEL 8 until KDE is available through EPEL or another repo. Heck, > > the only reason I can even run RHEL 8 on my test box is because I > > manually compiled KDE for it. > > This is incredibly common in GNOME, where people just make a decision and > > try to enforce it on the users. Things everyone hates, like moving the > > mouse into the top-left corner opening some weird menu, and the only way > > to disable it being third party software. (Something I've had to provide > > a fix by default for on my RHEL 7 deployments, where some of my users > > prefer GNOME), and where users request that I install gnome-tweak-tool > > for them so that they can make basic preference changes which just aren't > > available otherwise. > > > John, > > you personal opinions are not providing anything valuable in this > thread. This went offtopic too much, bordering on insults. > Please keep our mailling list productive and civilised. On a topic where the decision will be based entirely on opinions, I fail to see how opinions are not relevant. Further, nothing in that email is what I would describe as "uncivilized". I'm not asking people to necessarily agree with me, everyone is welcome to their own opinions, I simply provided mine and that of the users I work with. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx