On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 3:33 PM <mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 9:56 PM, Christopher <ctubbsii@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > 2) the Workstation WG has not only taken no action in response to the FESCo statement of trust at the conclusion of our last lengthy discussion on this matter, it has been explicitly stated in this thread that they have never had any intention of doing anything further, even though that was FESCo's clear expectation. > > > In January 2015, FESCo said: > > """ > AGREED: FESCo trusts the Workstation WG to properly research and develop a sensible firewall solution and will stay out of the way. (+5, 3, -0) (sgallagh, 18:40:04) > """ > > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1372#comment-27998 > > It reads to me like an affirmation of the work that had been done for Fedora 21: > > http://www.hadess.net/2014/06/firewalls-and-per-network-sharing.html > > I don't think a reasonable person reading the thread could plausibly conclude that FESCo expected further work. I consider myself generally reasonable, and that's precisely what I concluded, since 1) it was written in response to a request for a change (further work) in the context of a heated debate where one side was demanding the change, and 2) the grammatical context is all present and future tense, and not past tense in any way. Notably, they did not say "trusts the Workstation WG has properly researched and developed a sensible solution". I'm a native (American-)English speaker, and while I'll admit it's possible the phrasing could be interpreted as an affirmation, to me it implies the work is to be done. It is entirely possible I'm misinterpreting the intent... I'll grant you that. We can ask for clarity or FESCo to re-consider the matter. > > At the very least, it'd be nice if anaconda had an option to select > the default firewalld zone during installation > > > Imagine if Anaconda had an option for every time someone suggested it should.... Yeah, obviously that would be bad. Please don't simply dismiss a serious suggestion, because it would be bad in other scenarios or if taken to the extreme. This is one specific suggestion, not a proposal to accept all similar suggestions, and I'm not even convinced myself that this is the best possible solution. It just seemed like an idea worth considering, since the debate is raging on, has been raging on and off since 2014, and this proposal seems like it has potential to satisfy all parties once and for all (since it gets directly to the heart of the matter, eliminates user surprise, and fits naturally within the existing network setup portion of Anaconda). This proposal was an attempt to seek out a compromise. Please don't be so dismissive of the attempt. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
