On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 6:22 AM Neal Gompa <ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > The other major non-Linux operating systems do. Both Microsoft Windows > and Apple macOS ship with active firewalls by default. The firewall on macOS is disabled by default. Therefore I can't agree with any assessment that Fedora Workstation is, on this point alone, in some sort of vulnerable state outside that of macOS. Windows is enable by default with two "zones" or "policies" (I can't even tell from their own UI what to call this), one for private networks, and another for guest/public networks. >Those are the > real competitors, and they have a good UX for firewall handling so > that users can Do The Right Thing(TM). For Windows and macOS, when firewall is enabled, an application that tries to open a port against the firewall's policy, causes a dialog to appear. The user needs to read that, and make a decision. A valid subjective case can be made that this is janky, as if the UI itself is saying: "I dunno if this network is trustworthy! Do you know if it's trustworthy?!" Without any further way of informing the user how to determine this. They are both a buck passing interface. And that's fine for some users, but definitely not fine for others. -- Chris Murphy _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx