Re: Donate 1 minute of your time to test upgrades from F29 to F30

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On Thu, 2019-02-28 at 19:15 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 2/28/19 6:55 PM, Kalev Lember wrote:
> > On 2/28/19 18:05, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > > On 28. 02. 19 16:55, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > > More generally, the *flood* of Python 2 dep issues here is something I
> > > > was definitely concerned about with the Python 2 retirement policy
> > > > explicitly deciding not to say anything about obsoleting Python 2
> > > > subpackages :(
> > > 
> > > I wanted the py3 packages to obsolte the py2, but i was outvoted.
> > 
> > I completely agree with you. I think you should have gone to FESCo and
> > ask them to overrule the FPC in this case.
> 
> With all due respect, this would be an utter act of violence.
> 
> You can not obsolete packages which are still used by other packages nor 
> can you obsolete packages which do not functionally replace other packages.

Sure you can. It is clearly semantically incorrect for 'foo' to
*provide* 'bar' if foo does not, in fact, do whatever bar did. But it
is not at all incorrect for 'foo' to *obsolete* 'bar' in this case - if
'foo' does in some sense render 'bar' obsolete.

Since libblockdev dropped its python2 subpackage, the new version of
libblockdev clearly *does* render python2-libblockdev 'obsolete',
because the two cannot co-exist. It cannot be said to 'provide'
python2-libblockdev, but it certainly *obsoletes* it.

Note that *not* doing explicit obsoletes forces people upgrading their
systems to do a much more "violent act" if they want the upgrade to
work: either manually remove all not-properly-obsoleted packages, or
use --allowerasing , which can easily cause much worse problems in many
cases of packaging issues.
-- 
Adam Williamson
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