Le 2019-02-01 13:17, Josh Boyer a écrit :
Fedora is a project, not a venture capital firm. Things get done because people do them, prove they work, get buy-in, and evolve over time. If that means ideas or projects start small and outside existing Fedora infrastructure, that's OK!
I think there is a misunderstanding of what the "Friends" Fedora value actually means. A lot of @RH contributors are developers at core and only see Friends in a dev context: sharing source code with others, and to hell with distro packages, and Fedora as a binary package distribution in general.
But, there are already lots of instances where you can collaborate on code (the Apache Foundation, etc). Fedora isn't one of those no matter how devs push for it to become one (sometimes our desktop friends seem to see Fedora as some form of GNOME Foundation sugar daddy nothing more).
What "Friends" mean in a Fedora context, is being to collaborate on binary packages (rpms), and a best of breed integrated system, no matter what your team size is, no matter if you do it as a hobbyist or as part of some job, no matter what level of the software stack you're interested in.
Whenever Fedora chooses to deploy infra solutions that are unmanageable except @RH, it's hurting its core Friends value. Whenever Fedora separates its offerings in special Editions (basically declaring "we don't care about those other use cases") it is hurting its Friends value. Whenever Fedora invests in deployment solutions, which can only be applied on the desktop, only applied on openshift, or whatever, it is hurting its Friends value. Whenever the Fedora main sponsor, chooses to segment EL in unmanageable optional channels and modules that require some friendly commercial help to be navigated, it's hurting its "Friends" value (and it *is* hurting Fedora when EPEL rules are chosen to accommodate unfriendly @RH policy).
And, why am I writing all this? Because the old proprietary behemoths like Oracle, that justified investing in the Fedora/Centos/RHEL ecosystem, are slowly fading away.
That is going to make Debian a direct Fedora competitor to attract contributions and getting things done, when before anyone saddled with Oracle or SAP or whatever wouldn't even look at Debian. And, because Debian is a competent distribution, and because Debian has the same software reach (or more) than Fedora, a huge part of the choice is going to be made on the Friends axis.
So yes Fedora is not a venture capital firm. That does not mean it is not competing. It's just competing for contributions, not money.
Thus stating clearly how initiatives like MBI, contribute to "Friends" excellence, is not some form of weird request, it's a survival requirement for Fedora as a project. That is, as long as Friends is supposed to be a core value and a core differentiator of the Fedora proposition.
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