On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 4:14 AM Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Not treating it as a community objective is how we got in a situation, > where upstreams (including @rh upstreams) want nothing to do with rpms > and Fedora, and invent their own packaging tech to bypass Linux > distributions completely. They're not doing it for lofty theoretical > reasons. Those are added later as PC justifications. The root cause of > why they behave like this, is that they feel, the packager experience > Fedora (or Debian, or Ubuntu) sucks loads. It used not to suck, when it > matched perfectly c/c++ autotools needs, and then it slowly degraded as > things were not updated to match new needs and packagers were asked to > fill in the gaps. The dynamic that you've described about upstreams matches my experience. If we do have some kind of "packager experience" SIG, I would like to be a part of it. I would love to help bring back the birds-eye view dashboard that pkgdb provided for things like "how many packages does X person maintain", or "who is on the watch list for X component in Bugzilla". Maybe we could build that into the fedora-packages application ? I know the Infra team doesn't need more new apps to run :) - Ken _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
