Re: Proposal: delay F31 release to work out infrastructure and lifecycle challenges

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On Mon, 2018-11-26 at 11:30 -0800, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On 11/26/18 10:58 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 6:53 PM Adam Williamson
> > <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2018-11-26 at 18:44 +0000, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 4:05 PM Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 09:50:33AM -0500, Paul Frields wrote:
> > > > > > Here's the summary from the page, which proposes we pause the release
> > > > > > after F30 for these efforts:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I know it was a big time-off holiday week in the US, but I expected a little
> > > > > more interest in this post. Perhaps it seemed like too much text to digest
> > > > > along with turkey and stuffing. :) I'm highlighting it with a subject
> > > > > reflecting the big, direct impact, and here's some other top-level
> > > > > proposals:
> > > > > 
> > > > > * embrace Taiga (an open source kanban tool) for project planning
> > > > > * fix the compose speed (target: one hour!)
> > > > 
> > > > Can I have a unicorn? Everyone wants this bug absolutely no one has
> > > > done analysis.
> > > 
> > > I just don't believe this is true. I'm pretty sure Dennis and Kevin
> > > have both looked into it before.
> > 
> > Yes, I mean recently, I was involved in the last time we attempted
> > this, and there was a number of things identified but quite a bit has
> > changed since that last happened.
> 
> Yeah, I think our goal should be 1 minute... just as realistic as one
> hour. ;)
> 
> I have not looked into things recently. However:
> 
> * The mock fsync change (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/7909) may help
> some.
> 
> * We have plans to redo the setup on the s390x builders, which should
> result in them being much faster. That should help.
> 
> * I know pungi maintaienrs have been doing some work to make things
> faster (even in the last release out this morning).
> 
> All that said, I am not sure there's going to be a way to get it down to
> an hour. I think getting it down to 3-4hours may be very helpful tho and
> might be possible.

While we're on the topic of unicorns, if I were the person actually in
charge of this and had the freedom to do it how I wanted, what I'd
really want to do is create a much more *modular* compose process,
where inputs and outputs were defined and associated with each other,
and you could easily define subsets to be produced at different times
for different reasons. Not a compose, but a Compose Construction Kit. A
big chunk of the length of "the compose" is associated with the fact
that we define "the compose" as a single thing which produces (last
time I counted) 70+ deliverables. If we had an easy way to say 'ok,
right now we need a compose which produces A, B, C and D from the
minimum necessary sets of inputs', that would be a massive improvement.

This hasn't been true for a while (we actually have something like half
a dozen or more different "composes", right now), but the system is
still less flexible and it's still more difficult to configure
different composes than it really ought to be.
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
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