Re: Semi-serious proposal: drop all optional entries from comps

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Dne 26.9.2018 v 18:35 Adam Williamson napsal(a):
> On Tue, 2018-09-25 at 08:17 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>> Dne 24.9.2018 v 19:32 Adam Williamson napsal(a):
>>> On Mon, 2018-09-24 at 12:21 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>>>> Just FTR, some while ago, I proposed to drop comps entirely:
>>>>
>>>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/ISCIB67JKW7WBC74KA4DSCAP6AZOUY5G/
>>> That...doesn't seem like a very serious proposal at all, given that you
>>> didn't suggest *in any way* how we would replace the critical functions
>>> it's currently performing. Are you suggesting metapackages?
>> Well I proposed "drop comps entirely (or at least trim them down
>> significantly)". At least the second part is in line with your request I
>> believe.
>>
>> And I am not speaking necessarily about "metapackages". But we should
>> really start using Recommends more and especially Suggest is unused at
>> all. E.g. in comps, there is "Ruby on Rails" group installing bunch of
>> packages. There is no reason to not have these dependencies specified in
>> rubygem-rails (which already exists and has its purpose no matter if
>> there are comps or not) via Suggests for example. The only issue AFAIK
>> is there is no real support for Suggests in DNF :/
> How would this work in the identified use case of 'package managers
> displaying groups of packages for browsing'? Would the package managers
> have to somehow generate these views on the fly from Suggests?

Frankly, package manager have not adjusted yet. They don't do anything
about Recommends which are commonly used nowadays.

Anyway, g-s can show plugins (you can check gVim for example), so this
is very similar scenario IMO.


Vít
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