On Tue, 2018-09-25 at 14:18 +0000, Máirín Duffy wrote: > Hi fedora-devel, > > This morning I set out to set up a VM for web development for a project I've been working on so I could access my development environment from multiple locations / workstations without having to set it up again and again on different systems. > > I had a surprisingly difficult time in doing this. The steps I followed, wanting to interact with the VM via virt-manager [1]: > > - Look at Atomic website page, find link for cloud images, try image advertised as libvirt (was a box image), try to import into virt-manager, fail > (not a bootable image) > - Realize that was a dumb move and try again with raw image. Tried to import into virt-manager, didn't know I have to decompress manually first. Fail. (not a bootable image) > - Give up on Fedora base cloud image, try server. 3GB download, takes 30 min to install. Install concludes with somehow either crashing the hypervisor or disconnecting virt-manager from the hypervisor. > - Realize how heavyweight server seems and it's not going to be good for something I really wanted to be lean and clean, esp when seeing stuff like snappy scroll by in the package install list (nothing against snappy, just not smtg I'd expect in a lean webdev env) > - Get help in an irc development channel, learn I have to extract the raw image, hurrah, quick results except! Boot stalls. > - Found out it's cloud-info stalling the boot. > - Yay I have a login prompt! What's the login info? Gahhhh... > - Realize have to run virt-customize --uninstall cloud-init --root-password password:whatever --selinux-relabel -a theimage > - Success finally (ETA 1.5 hrs not 100% fully attended of course) > > Note that: > - I searched the Fedora docs, website, ask Fedora, and did general searches at each point of failure and didn't find much in the way of guidance. Only in talking to a couple of knowledegable and helpful folks in real time was I able to get past the fail points. > - Something else to note that's non obvious is setting up virt manager as non-root, first answer https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/45805/how-to-use-virt-manager-as-a-non-root-user/ > > OK so my questions for you, Fedora development community: > > - Is running a lightweight local VM for web development a usecase we want to support? Is it dare I ask important? > - If so, is what I ended up setting up what we want people in that usecase to do? (E.g. use Fedora cloud base image, set up in virt-manager or boxes, using virt-customize to remove cloud-init and configure login password? I suppose my instinct in your case would be just to do a conventional minimal install, either using the Everything netinst image or the Server DVD or netinst image. But I agree that we don't really do a good job of telling people our recommended approach for this kind of use case, or flagging up that the Cloud images are not it, unless you're doing something very specific. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
