On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 1:40 PM Ben Rosser <rosser.bjr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Because nobody is communicating with upstream and fixing it there. In > > some cases it'll be met with a shrug (like changelogs). In many, it > > might actually result in upstream making a similar fix. > > What is "upstream", though? Some repository the packager uses to hold > the spec files? The actual upstream project that's being packaged? > Some other distribution's package repository? Presumably the people > doing automated cleanups would need to know this information, somehow. No, I said automated cleanups should skip such packages. If people doing them were really interested, they could lookup the info in the file or file a bug, or have their script file a bug because the package was skipped. > And if an automated cleanup involves hundreds or thousands of > packages, is it realistic to have the person doing that cleanup look > up and contact various different upstreams manually for all of these? > Doesn't this make it harder, not easier, to do automated package > cleanups? No. > We have been telling people for a while now that they don't "own" > their packages. Making it easier for people to maintain their packages > outside of dist-git and (effectively) ignore changes from > proven-packagers seems to take us in the opposite direction. I disagree. "Ownership" within Fedora is one aspect we've tried to address, but we're pretending that Fedora "owns" the code base which is a falsity. There are many more people involved and in this specific kind of situation, pretending there aren't is just odd. > If this is really something that's necessary, maybe it would be good > to require someone's approval (FESCo? FPC?) to maintain a package > outside of Fedora dist-git. Then at least the number of such packages > could be hopefully kept low. That's a thing that could be done, but I'm skeptical it will help much without the other things. josh _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/BTJFGDIM5RKLEDZKGJMJRAGSRCZ3D3DN/
