Re: FESCo Elections - May 2018 : Results announcement

["Brian (bex) Exelbierd" <bexelbie@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018, 10:42 PM Josh Boyer <jwboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 5:51 PM Till Maas <opensource@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 03:57:36PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 3:53 PM Randy Barlow
>
> > > Downside is that it would be possible (though I'd guess unlikely) for
> > > all of FESCo to suddenly change to 9 different people and there'd be no
> > > members who know the current state of things. We would also need to do
> > > something a little awkward to get into this state since we currently
> > > have staggered terms.
> >
> > The election structure was setup specifically to avoid this problem.
> > The alternative solutions were all pretty poor.
>
> This seems to be a very theoretical problem because it would mean that
> we have nine times the number of new candidates that we have now and
> everyone is so unsatisfied with FESCo that only new candidates will be
> elected. And if there is so deep dissatisfaction, a fresh start might
> even be a good idea. Also there would still be other people around to
> provide guidance or there is another problem.

It was a solution to a practical problem when we came up with it.
Fedora was young, core and extras had just merged.  People were
excited about guiding Fedora at a technical level.  We needed the
structure to ensure we didn't have massive swings in direction on
technologies and sufficient transfer of knowledge.  The overall number
of contributors was smaller, but the interest level was greater.

I'm not against reworking the election schedule or terms, but it's
good to know why something was put in place before you change it.
Dismissing it as theoretical does nothing but make me feel old, which
is OK because I am.  I'm not convinced a change in the election
structure or term limits is really going to drum up interest in FESCo
though.  The problems we face there are more fundamental than that.

josh

Over the past five years or so, the membership in FESCo has rarely changed except when an existing member voluntarily gives up their seat. The elections rely heavily on name recognition and so being on FESCo is self-reinforcing. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, however. Clearly it has been working for Fedora, since the Project is thriving. 

I'd like to suggest a more radical approach then: what if we only hold elections under two circumstances?

1) An existing member steps down and announces that a seat is opening.

2) A vote of no-confidence is raised for one or more individuals currently serving. In this case, those individuals can also remain on the ballot to retain their seat. The details of the no confidence clause would need to be worked out to avoid constant jeopardy and too frequent elections, but I think that could be feasible.

I understand the sentiment here, but it worries me in several ways:

* These kinds of policies make it harder for those on the border of burn out (or similar issues) to step back.  Elections/terms reverse the question to a "do you want to keep doing this" instead of "we assume you are still good."

* It is very hard to get a no-confidence movement together.  It makes it hard to deal with small issues because no-confidence is a "huge deal."  This is not to say that lots of people have small issues, but elections/terms create a natural opportunity for turn-over based on a variety of factors.

regards,

bex

 

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