> There's a lot of space between "include it on the Fedora install CDs > that absolutely everyone who uses Fedora must acquire" and invite > people to use non-free solutions." For example, "put it on an > optional Fedora Java CD." You know in the long term, we agree. I absolutely believe Fedora should be slimmer (even to the point of one basic CD and everything else being optional). However, the argument that: "include it on the Fedora install CDs that absolutely everyone who uses Fedora must acquire" is sort of bogus when you cast your eyes over 4 CDs worth of Fedora Core software that everyone in going to acquire anyway, and that there is no room for Eclipse and the related open source Java stack there. In the future, I could see the Java CD option being a great option. But this exercise is getting FC4 down to a fixed size for the upcoming deadline. Right now the most compelling argument is that it is big, and therefore a good target to clip. There's no other metric being used, like usage in the community, or how active a project it is, or value to the open source community. There might be merit in the pure size argument; we all have to make hard decisions in the light of deadlines, but I'm trying to appeal to the notion that the size of the install is worth it, and bring valuation to other aspects of Eclipse. In the future, say FC5 and beyond there is much merit in the division of layers into separate CDs/Repos. Regards Phil
