On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 16:33 -0500, Andrew Overholt wrote: > I'm sorry, but I think this is silly and leads to finger-pointing. Just > because I work on and use Eclipse and lots of the Java-related stuff > doesn't mean that others don't see other things as being just as useful. I agree with Andrew. I can make the argument of why Eclipse should stay; but I don't know how to make the argument on what should go in equal size. I can't do the math in such a way, because size != usefulness, at least I believe, in this context. Eclipse is important as it is the IDE with the largest open source developer base; that various open source groups (like classpath) for example, consistently ask us for improvement to it and rely on it; we do a lot of work with Eclipse within Red Hat (RHN use it in their Java stack), and that Eclipse already exists as a product in RHEL and should have a Fedora Core mirror package. Fedora Core is the only place where Eclipse exists as a completely free, natively built Java app, and where we can proudly say, this product is completely free. Regards Phil