On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 08:47:22AM -0700, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > I believe you are missing the point of defaults.... which is to provide as > complete environment as possible out of the box. Since this is a KDE spin, > we should be providing as complete of a KDE environment as possible. > Users shouldn't be required to go on a treasure hunt to seek out available > KDE applications. If you don't want to use a KDE default you can easily > either go into settings and change the defaults, remove the package you > don't want, etc. I don't have a particular side in this debate, but I do feel it important to point out that making sure all of these different applications function properly at release time is a big QA workload. If having these applications all available in the default install is important to you, please see and help out with https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/NG22T4KMZZSRAQNPBRISKSEW5GZ4XCJS/ Although we're having problems with UEFI booting, recent F27 nightly composes (see https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-27/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/) should boot and work on BIOS, and running through the validation tests https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Release_validation_test_plan would be a *huge* help in making sure F27 KDE Plasma Desktop is a solid release. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx