On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:34 AM, jack smith <paviluf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:28 AM, jack smith <paviluf(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote: >> >> Taking most of those out would make our experience significantly worse >> than the GNOME spin (a.k.a Fedora Workstation). > > Not necessarily because we can only remove the less useful one, replace some of them by more popular one and keep some of them if they are really useful for most people. > >> Not being able to manage GPG (KGPG) , SSH (ksshaskpass), and email >> (KMail) would be pretty painful for most people. KAddressBook and >> KOrganizer are perfectly fine to keep, too, as they are useful things. > > kgpg, ksshaskpass are probably not used by a lot of people and can be easily installed. > > KMail, KAddressBook, KOrganizer are far less popular than Gmail or Thunderbird and can be easily installed too. Most of the bloat come from the PIM stack (mysql, akonaki !). Shipping Thunderbird is IMO a better choice (for the record I use Gmail). > Akonadi can be configured to use SQLite. I don't know why we don't, but it's a valid option. >> I could see us not including Konqueror, as Qupzilla/KDE Falkon is the >> new upcoming KDE browser. > > How many people really use Konqueror, Qupzilla/KDE Falkon instead of Chrome, Chromium or Firefox ? > Why force them a browser they won't use ? Shipping Firefox is IMO a better choice (even if I use Chrome). > KDE Falkon is a QtWebEngine based browser, so it behaves like Chrome/Chromium. It is worth promoting. >> As most of us actually do heavily use IRC, it'd be a shame if we lost >> Konversation on the default install. > > I don't think the majority of people use IRC and why force them an IRC client ? They can easily choose and install one. > >> Akregator probably could be cut as RSS feeds have become considerably >> less popular and accessible in recent years. > > One less :) > >> KNode could probably be removed from the default installs, as >> Usenet/NNTP has become a lot less common. > > Two less :) > >> Jovie, KMouth, KMouseTool, and KMag are handy things for accessibility. > > That can be kept if they are handy things for accessibility. > >> Dragon is a perfectly nice video player. > > Can be kept even if VLC or MPV are better player IMO. > Neither of those are in Fedora proper, so we can't select them. The ffmpeg / encumbered codec requirements make it difficult to bring into Fedora. Dragon uses GStreamer, so it works well enough and can be extended easily with codec packs. And MPV is a GTK+ based application, which I'd prefer to avoid. >> Kamaso is our equivalent to Cheese on GNOME, and there's no reason to cut it. > > Can be kept indeed. > >> KFind for finding files on the system is kinda important, in my view. >> KNetAttach for accessing network shares, too. > > Can be kept indeed. > >> The telepathy stack (telepathy* / ktp*) might be less handy, but I >> know people who do swear by it. > > These people can install it. Again why force everyone to have these ? > There are plenty of people that do use IM and video/voice chat. >> Kolourpaint and and KRuler and handy little things. And KRFB enables >> remote desktop capabilities, which there are plenty of people who >> want. KRDC lets people connect to remote systems, which is equally >> desired. > > Can be kept indeed. > > As I said if one want to use softs that are not installed by default they can just simply install them. But if they're just available, it makes the experience smoother. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
