On 16 July 2017 at 13:11, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Where's the problem? The problem is it simply does not work on anything nontrivial that needs an updated library dep of something already in Fedora. On your stable system running F25, can you try installing a few new versions of upstream-active applications in F27 that requires the new QT or GTK? Before you know it your super-stable production system is a huge mix of incompatible packages, which is unrecoverable. Downgrades are not supported officially, and they're simply not something that is tested. If it works, it's more by accident than design. Flatpak lets me have multiple versions of apps installed, depending on specific versions of base libraries. We can actually test an application always works using a known set of libraries, rather than the application exploding because it's not doing runtime checks for subtle changes in library behaviour. > This is also trivial to offer in a UI. I think you and I disagree on what trivial constitutes. > And the (unrelated) online update issue is really a non-issue in practice, > as I explained in my reply to Debarshi Ray. Until you're the person that's explaining to someone why their system is HOSED (hint: that's usually me) because they rebooted during a live update, please don't call this a non-issue. Moving to offline updates reduced the number of people filing bugs about systems being broken by about two orders of magnitude. "But it always worked fine for me" doesn't scale to tens of millions of users. Packages are a great way to build a system (either ostree or flatpak, or both), but I think the last 15 years of experience shows us it's not a great way to manage a system. Nobody is taking away packages. If you want to use packages, fine, please don't prevent us doing new, better things. Richard _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
