Re: super-drafty F28 and F29 schedules

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On 07/12/2017 02:10 PM, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 09:36:28PM -0400, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
>> On 07/06/2017 09:15 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/28/Schedule
>>
>> I encourage Jeff Law and Jakub Jelinek to review these schedules
>> for compiler related issues.
>>
>> This is just a perfunctory review from the glibc perspective with
>> regard to base ABI and API issues in this core runtime.
>>
>> 2018-01-10 MASS REBUILD
>> - This date is ahead of the glibc release on 2018-02-01
>>   but after the 2018-01-01 ABI freeze date for glibc.
>>   Therefore you will be largely assured a stable ABI upon
>>   which to base Fedora, _but_ there is a vanishingly small
>>   chance you may need a mass rebuild or a targeted rebuild
>>   on 2018-02-01 if something has to be reverted.
> 
> 2018-01-10 is way too early for a mass rebuild from GCC point of view,
> even if we perform the test mass rebuild over the Christmas break,
> there won't be enough time to analyze it and fix any GCC issues revealed
> during that time.  GCC bugfixing usually starts around November 15th and
> needs some time before it can be fixed enough to use widely.
> Moving the mass rebuild one week earlier than last time
> is maybe doable, but not one month.  And not rebuilding F27 with GCC 8
> is a bad idea for both the compiler and Fedora.
> 
> As for F29, there is no GCC release around that time, so from GCC POV the
> schedule doesn't matter that much.

I also expect that the next glibc cycle will be even worse as far as
glibc stability during the freeze is concerned, so I'm skeptical about a
rebuild in mid-January as well.

Florian
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