Re: Upgrade path violations in F25

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On 11/25/2016 09:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2016-11-25 at 18:38 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 11/25/2016 05:51 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:

So we already do pretty much what you outline above. I started the
first push to f25-updates on the Friday before the release.

I think, we are talking past each other.

You seem to be referring to "the freeze" in terms of the final release
push, while I am talking about what you'd probably call alpha or beta stage.

Actually, I am referring to the stage of the release preparations, when
rel-eng stops pushing packages from "update-testing" to "main".

That only stops at the Final freeze point. After Final freeze, only
freeze exception / blocker bug fixes are pushed to what you call
'main'.
OK. This is the harmful stage, I am talking about.

I think this stage is fundamentally flawed and needs to be redesigned.

To provide so detail about this harm:

I have been trying to push a package chain consisting of 2 new packages, which are required to update a 3 package, to Fedora:

The first package hit "the freeze". It took ~3 weeks to make it to fc25 stable. The second package could not be built before the first packages was in fc25. It was build when the freeze was lifted, summing up to an overall delay in order of 4-5 weeks. IIRC, the 2nd package is stuck in updates-testing.

Of course the fc23/fc24 have been release.

Before that, all updates go to 'main' when pushed 'stable' by
Bodhi.

Ralf
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