On 14/06/16 21:02, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
I was thinking remove the Fedora package. What's the point in
maintaining a secret Fedora package for a graphical app, when we're
going to be presenting a different version of that app to users? And as
Josh says, this would also create confusion regarding where to report
bugs, and also confusion when users have two different sets of bugs
depending on whether you use a Fedora package or the upstream Flatpak.
But maybe we will need to keep the Fedora packages to support spins,
e.g. we probably don't want to start removing packages before KDE grows
support for Flatpaks in its graphical installer.
And what about people that just use dnf! Not everybody that uses Fedora
as a workstation actually uses "Fedora Workstation" you know. In fact I
wouldn't mind betting a majority of people on this list use Fedora on
their deskop without buying into the "Fedora Workstation" stuff and
using a graphical package manager.
There's no plan to systematically go around removing Fedora packages in
favor of Flatpaks; rather, we plan to do this on a case-by-case basis
at the request of upstreams that have developed Flatpaks and want those
Flatpaks to be available in Fedora. Package maintainers would be
allowed to dispute the change, again on a case-by-case basis, but I
don't expect that to happen often. We're also planning to allow third-
party RPMs to replace Fedora-provided RPMs following the same
procedure.
I suspect this view originates in a very Gnomeish view of the world
where upstream and the Fedora packagers are very close but I wonder how
well it matches with situations where upstream and distros have a more
antagonistic relationship...
Full details at [1], just keep in mind this is a WIP document in the
preproposal stage; i.e. we were not planning to propose it on this list
yet.
I'm not surprised given it seems to be quite half baked...
Clearly it's entirely aimed at Workstation users yet if allowed it would
impact the distribution as a whole on a large scale with no apparent
plan as to how to resolve that contradiction.
If graphical applications all disappear from the core repositories into
upstream managed flatpak things that are only visible through Gnome
Software then how are non-Workstation users supposed to access them?
Third party rpm repositories don't seem that well thought out either
what with vague "they should try and follow our guidelines" but
presumably no way of policing that given that I assume all this will
bypass the package review process?
Equally if each package is supposed to have it's own repository I wonder
if any thought has been given to how well dnf scales to hundreds or
thousands of repositories?
Tom
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