Hi, to answer the question about dates of FESCo elections: we have a schedule for it [1]. The exact dates of Elections are driven by Fedora release. We typically start a week after GA with preparations; two weeks after the GA we start with Nominations period; etc... If a Fedora release slips, the Elections period slips as well. The current date for Result announcements of these Elections is planned for 2016-Jul-19. [1] https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-24/f-24-elections.html Regards, Jan On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Kevin Fenzi <kevin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > =================================== > #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2016-05-06) > =================================== > > > Meeting started by nirik at 16:00:23 UTC. The full logs are available at > https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-05-06/fesco.2016-05-06-16.00.log.html > . > > > > Meeting summary > --------------- > * init process (nirik, 16:00:23) > > * #1576 Evaluate Workstation graphical upgrade Change status (nirik, > 16:08:06) > * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576 (nirik, 16:08:06) > * AGREED: Change should move forward. QA and FESCo and developers will > work to find a acceptable testing process. (+5,0,0) (nirik, > 16:16:23) > > * #1444 updates deliverables (nirik, 16:18:44) > * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444 (nirik, 16:18:44) > * will check back on this next week to gather info about last > deliverable (nirik, 16:20:23) > > * #1514 Policy for autogenerated code (nirik, 16:20:50) > * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514 (nirik, 16:20:50) > * AGREED: agree with sgallagh's answers in > https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514#comment:7 (+5,0,0) > (nirik, 16:28:37) > > * #1570 F24 Changes not in ON_QA status (<100% completed) (nirik, > 16:29:08) > * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1570 (nirik, 16:29:08) > * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1238426 (nirik, > 16:30:25) > * AGREED: Approve the "Cloud MOTD" change (+5,0,0) (nirik, 16:37:16) > > * #1571 need guideance of what exactly needs to be built from source for > Fedora Media Writer (nirik, 16:38:59) > * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1571 (nirik, 16:38:59) > * AGREED: will ask for a new f25 change with updated scope and > information. (nirik, 16:41:28) > > * #1575 non-responsive packager: roma (nirik, 16:41:48) > * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1575 (nirik, 16:41:48) > > * 1568 F25 Self Contained Changes (nirik, 16:48:19) > * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568 (nirik, 16:48:19) > > * Open Floor (nirik, 16:53:28) > * FESCo elections coming up soon. Start thinking if you want to run! > (jwb, 16:57:23) > > Meeting ended at 16:58:43 UTC. > > > > > Action Items > ------------ > > > > > > Action Items, by person > ----------------------- > * **UNASSIGNED** > * (none) > > > > > People Present (lines said) > --------------------------- > * nirik (96) > * jsmith_work (30) > * number80 (29) > * jwb (28) > * maxamillion (25) > * zodbot (15) > * mattdm (11) > * rtnpro (8) > * handsome_pirate (8) > * danofsatx (1) > * sgallagh (0) > * paragan (0) > * kalev (0) > * jsmith (0) > * dgilmore (0) > -- > 16:00:23 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2016-05-06) > 16:00:23 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri May 6 16:00:23 2016 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. > 16:00:23 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. > 16:00:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2016-05-06)' > 16:00:23 <nirik> #meetingname fesco > 16:00:23 <nirik> #chair maxamillion dgilmore number80 jwb nirik paragan jsmith kalev sgallagh > 16:00:23 <nirik> #topic init process > 16:00:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' > 16:00:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore jsmith jwb kalev maxamillion nirik number80 paragan sgallagh > 16:00:30 <nirik> who all is around for a fesco meeting? > 16:00:36 <mattdm> hallo! > 16:00:45 <nirik> I know dgilmore, sgallagh and kalev were not going to be around... > 16:00:52 <number80> .hello hguemar > 16:00:53 <zodbot> number80: hguemar 'Haïkel Guémar' <karlthered@xxxxxxxxx> > 16:01:12 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion > 16:01:13 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@xxxxxxxxx> > 16:01:21 * handsome_pirate observes > 16:02:08 <nirik> so thats 3... we may not make quorum today. > 16:02:39 <mattdm> hmmm. > 16:02:48 <jsmith_work> .hello jsmith > 16:02:52 <zodbot> jsmith_work: jsmith 'Jared Smith' <jsmith.fedora@xxxxxxxxx> > 16:02:53 <jsmith_work> Sorry, running a few minutes late > 16:03:02 <mattdm> I'd like to know the fate of the workstation graphical update plan > 16:03:48 <nirik> mattdm: well, kalev and hugsie aren't going to be here today, so not sure what we can get done today... > 16:04:08 <nirik> it sounded like the plan was to push a f23 update with stuff disabled and have a way to enable it for testing... > 16:04:09 <mattdm> okay. that means it _definitely_ can't be mentioned in the rh blog announcement > 16:04:13 * danofsatx watches from sidelines > 16:04:14 <nirik> yeah. ;( > 16:04:25 <mattdm> hopefully for the fedora annoucement and blogs, we can have a link, though > 16:05:01 <nirik> yeah, that would be nice. I know a lot of people jump over on Beta these days. > 16:05:39 * nirik waits a few more minutes to see if paragn or jwb arrive... > 16:05:39 * handsome_pirate jumps on a day or so after branch :) > 16:07:17 <jwb> i'm 1/2 here today > 16:07:47 <nirik> ok, thats quorum then (well, minus a bit) :) > 16:08:06 <nirik> #topic #1576 Evaluate Workstation graphical upgrade Change status > 16:08:06 <jwb> i promise to read logs fully if i fall behind before voting on anything > 16:08:06 <nirik> .fesco 1576 > 16:08:06 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576 > 16:08:08 <zodbot> nirik: #1576 (Evaluate Workstation graphical upgrade Change status) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576 > 16:08:15 <nirik> mattdm wanted us to look at this first... > 16:08:59 <jwb> i actually read this one over. i agree with sgallagh in the ticket and i think this should go ahead and we can re-evaluate closer to GA > 16:09:28 <nirik> me too. I like the idea of a f23 update with stuff disabled and enableable via some key or the like... > 16:09:40 <maxamillion> sounds good to me > 16:09:43 <nirik> that way people can test it > 16:09:43 <jsmith_work> That sounds fine to me > 16:10:48 <jwb> nirik: yes, that seems reasonable as well > 16:11:11 <nirik> so, can anyone articulate a proposal we can vote on/approve here? > 16:12:33 <jsmith_work> Proposal: Allow Workstation graphical upgrade in an F23 update (disabled) with a key to enable for testing > 16:12:34 <nirik> proposal: Change should move forward. QA and FESCo and developers will work to find a acceptable testing process. > 16:13:04 <nirik> either way +1 > 16:13:12 <jsmith_work> +1 to nirik's proposal > 16:13:23 <maxamillion> +1 > 16:14:13 <nirik> number80 / jwb ^ > 16:14:17 <jwb> +1 > 16:16:13 <number80> +1 > 16:16:23 <nirik> #agreed Change should move forward. QA and FESCo and developers will work to find a acceptable testing process. (+5,0,0) > 16:16:46 <mattdm> I'd like is a page (fedora magazine article?) showing the process for enabling testing... > 16:16:57 <jsmith_work> mattdm: +1 > 16:16:58 <mattdm> ("What I'd like is..") > 16:17:03 <maxamillion> mattdm: who are you asking that of? > 16:17:06 <mattdm> and then I can link to that > 16:17:09 <nirik> yeah. I don't think the code is even written yet, but yeah > 16:17:13 <mattdm> maxamillion: I guess Workstation developers? > 16:17:16 <mattdm> Or QA? > 16:17:25 <maxamillion> mattdm: rgr > 16:17:28 <nirik> sounded like kalev was going to work on it. > 16:17:36 <mattdm> Heck, if I know what the procedure is, I can write the page > 16:18:11 <jwb> yay kalev > 16:18:44 <nirik> #topic #1444 updates deliverables > 16:18:44 <nirik> .fesco 1444 > 16:18:44 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444 > 16:18:45 <zodbot> nirik: #1444 (updates deliverables) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444 > 16:19:11 <nirik> maxamillion: any chance to talk to groups about updating deliverables? > 16:19:56 <maxamillion> nirik: yes, there was one deliverable left that needed more discussion though so probably need to defer > 16:20:06 <nirik> ok, fair enough. > 16:20:08 <nirik> next week? > 16:20:13 <maxamillion> nirik: should be good, yes > 16:20:23 <nirik> #info will check back on this next week to gather info about last deliverable > 16:20:26 <nirik> thanks > 16:20:30 <maxamillion> certainly > 16:20:50 <nirik> #topic #1514 Policy for autogenerated code > 16:20:50 <nirik> .fesco 1514 > 16:20:50 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514 > 16:20:51 <zodbot> nirik: #1514 (Policy for autogenerated code) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514 > 16:22:07 <jsmith_work> I'm perfectly fine with sgallagh's suggestion on the ticket > 16:22:52 <nirik> me too > 16:22:55 <number80> The same but what's legal input? > 16:23:09 <maxamillion> yeah, I'm on board with that but would also be interested in what legal has to say > 16:23:16 <number80> or is it totally left to our appreciation? > 16:23:54 <jwb> legal just pointed to the existing page > 16:24:01 <jwb> so they think it covers this ticket already > 16:24:05 <number80> then, let's vote on sgallagh proposal > 16:24:39 <nirik> yeah, not 100% clear to me, but I think that answers everything still pending. > 16:25:26 <nirik> proposal: agree with sgallagh's answers in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514#comment:7 > 16:25:31 <number80> +1 > 16:25:33 <jsmith_work> +1 from me > 16:26:04 <nirik> +1 > 16:26:17 <handsome_pirate> right quick > 16:26:18 <maxamillion> +1 > 16:26:18 <handsome_pirate> question > 16:26:35 <nirik> go ahead? > 16:26:36 <jsmith_work> handsome_pirate: Go ahead... > 16:26:38 <handsome_pirate> What if the source, as released by $upstream is pregenerated? > 16:26:53 <handsome_pirate> As in, if I go to pypi, the tarball is all pregenned code > 16:27:01 <handsome_pirate> or mostly so > 16:27:23 <number80> then, it has to ship master sources somehow > 16:27:48 <nirik> right: "It is required that the original source files from which the code was generated be included in the srpm > 16:28:05 <jwb> +1 > 16:28:13 <handsome_pirate> all right, thanks > 16:28:23 <nirik> proposal: agree with sgallagh's answers in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514#comment:7 (+5,0,0) > 16:28:28 <nirik> oops > 16:28:37 <nirik> #agreed agree with sgallagh's answers in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514#comment:7 (+5,0,0) > 16:29:08 <nirik> #topic #1570 F24 Changes not in ON_QA status (<100% completed) > 16:29:08 <nirik> .fesco 1570 > 16:29:08 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1570 > 16:29:09 <zodbot> nirik: #1570 (F24 Changes not in ON_QA status (<100% completed)) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1570 > 16:30:11 <nirik> we have cloud motd left > 16:30:20 <jwb> i think the trend here is to tell maxamillion that he cannot be responsible for everything because he does not scale ;) > 16:30:25 <nirik> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1238426 > 16:30:28 <jsmith_work> jwb: +1 > 16:30:34 <maxamillion> jwb: wait, about what? > 16:30:41 <number80> cloud motd > 16:30:48 <jwb> "According to developer (rtnpro) the Change is committed and 100% completed. However they do not want to switch the tracking bug to ON_QA till there will be a review completed by Adam Miller." > 16:31:02 <maxamillion> wait, why me? > 16:31:10 <nirik> I can spin up a beta cloud image real quick and see if it's done? > 16:31:12 <jwb> i have no idea > 16:31:20 <jwb> apparently people think you own this? > 16:31:32 <number80> maybe, he's confusing with the other M. Miller > 16:31:35 <jsmith_work> maxamillion: I guess I blindly assumed you had volunteered to test it... > 16:31:57 <maxamillion> o.O; > 16:31:58 <jsmith_work> maxamillion: My apologies for assuming wrongly :-( > 16:32:27 <jsmith_work> rtnpro: Are you around/awake? > 16:32:54 <rtnpro> jsmith_work, yes > 16:32:56 <rtnpro> dustymabe had tested the package and gave some feedback > 16:33:05 <rtnpro> I am working on the issues he had reported > 16:33:14 <rtnpro> I will push an update tomorrow > 16:33:23 <maxamillion> rtnpro: +1 > 16:33:26 <number80> rtnpro: is it ready for a beta or not? > 16:33:33 <rtnpro> there were some SELinux permission issues on atomic host > 16:33:38 <number80> I mean it does not have to be perfect > 16:33:46 <number80> that's fixable > 16:34:21 <number80> then, we can assume, it's on schedule then > 16:34:29 <jsmith_work> Proposal: Approve the "Cloud MOTD" change > 16:34:30 <rtnpro> number80, in terms of code, yes, however, I need to fix that SELinux issue in the package > 16:34:46 <jwb> +1 > 16:34:52 <number80> +1 > 16:34:54 <nirik> it's not yet in though right? > 16:35:08 <number80> rtnpro: the alternative was to completely drop that feature for F24 > 16:35:18 <nirik> well, to move to f25? > 16:35:29 <maxamillion> +1 > 16:35:31 <number80> I'm pretty sure that selinux permissions is fixable very soon > 16:35:38 <number80> nirik: yes > 16:35:45 <rtnpro> number80, yeah > 16:36:01 <jwb> out of all the changes, this one seems like the easiest to fudge > 16:36:02 <nirik> I am looking at a beta cloud image and it's not there yet, but I guess the impact is pretty small really... > 16:36:10 <jwb> i don't see a reason to defer yet > 16:36:13 <nirik> so sure, +1 to finish it up and get it working > 16:36:17 <number80> yup, it's been deferred for too long > 16:36:31 * nirik tries to count votes > 16:36:44 <jwb> you have 4 > 16:36:53 <number80> jsmith_work: ^ > 16:37:00 <jwb> oh 5 since jsmith_work made the proposal > 16:37:05 <nirik> well, jsmith_work proposed, so I assumed it was +1 > 16:37:16 <nirik> #agreed Approve the "Cloud MOTD" change (+5,0,0) > 16:37:29 <number80> rtnpro++ > 16:37:29 <zodbot> number80: Karma for rtnpro changed to 6 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any > 16:37:33 <nirik> rtnpro: let us know if you run into any issues... > 16:37:41 <rtnpro> nirik, sure > 16:38:02 <jsmith_work> Yeah, sorry -- +1 to my own approval > 16:38:11 <jsmith_work> s/approval/proposal/ > 16:38:17 * jsmith_work can't multi-task today > 16:38:59 <nirik> #topic #1571 need guideance of what exactly needs to be built from source for Fedora Media Writer > 16:38:59 <nirik> fesco 1571 > 16:38:59 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1571 > 16:39:26 <nirik> I think we should close this and ask they update and come back with a f25 version of the change... > 16:39:58 <maxamillion> nirik: +1 > 16:39:58 <jsmith_work> nirik: I was just going to propose the same thing :-) > 16:40:21 <jwb> +1 > 16:40:33 <number80> +1 > 16:41:08 <jsmith_work> Obviously, +1 from me > 16:41:13 <nirik> ok, will update the ticket then. ;) > 16:41:28 <nirik> #agreed will ask for a new f25 change with updated scope and information. > 16:41:48 <nirik> #topic #1575 non-responsive packager: roma > 16:41:48 <nirik> .fesco 1574 > 16:41:48 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1575 > 16:41:49 <zodbot> nirik: #1574 (F25 System Wide Change: Removing Perl from Build Root) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1574 > 16:42:23 <jsmith_work> Didn't we approve this last week? > 16:42:40 <number80> 1575 is new > 16:42:53 <nirik> oops. > 16:42:53 <number80> (likely a typo for 1574) > 16:42:59 <jsmith_work> Ah, that's 1574 > 16:42:59 <nirik> yeah, likely a typo there. > 16:43:05 * nirik blames sgallagh. ;) > 16:43:24 <number80> +1 to the request and orphaning all roma packages > 16:43:39 <number80> at least, the process was done *correctly* > 16:44:00 <jsmith_work> We may want to add roma to the ticket > 16:44:18 <maxamillion> jsmith_work: +1 > 16:44:28 <number80> +0 > 16:44:29 <jsmith_work> Proposal: Add roma to the ticket and revisit next week > 16:44:41 <number80> +0 > 16:44:44 <nirik> well, ok, but they didn't answer anything else... > 16:44:52 <nirik> not sure thats going to get any response either. ;) > 16:45:00 <maxamillion> yeah > 16:45:13 <number80> well, I can wait one more week > 16:45:21 <jsmith_work> nirik: I'm under no illusions that it will > 16:45:22 <nirik> and it's been about a year since a koji build or update submission... > 16:45:22 <maxamillion> actually, I'm inclined to +1 transfer of ownership and orphaning > 16:45:48 <nirik> yeah, I would perfer just doing it... > 16:46:04 <number80> middle-ground is transfer ownership right now for php-getid3 > 16:46:09 <nirik> if they do magically appear they still have acls and can comaintain or take ownership back > 16:46:29 <jsmith_work> Me is fine with doing it now > 16:46:42 <jsmith_work> Ugh... still can't type > 16:47:19 <nirik> jwb: ^ > 16:47:26 <jwb> +0 > 16:47:45 <nirik> ok, so I guess we defer to next week then? > 16:47:50 <jwb> guess so > 16:47:58 <nirik> thats fine. ;) > 16:48:15 <nirik> last ticket! :) > 16:48:18 <maxamillion> woot > 16:48:19 <nirik> #topic 1568 F25 Self Contained Changes > 16:48:19 <nirik> .fesco 1568 > 16:48:19 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568 > 16:48:21 <zodbot> nirik: #1568 (F25 Self Contained Changes) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568 > 16:49:23 <nirik> did we do this one last week? > 16:49:49 <maxamillion> I thought we did also > 16:50:01 <maxamillion> errr > 16:50:09 <maxamillion> actually, I thought we did the week before, I wasn't here last week > 16:50:36 <jsmith_work> Right... I think I caught just the tail-end of the meeting where it was discussed > 16:51:23 <jwb> i'm pretty skeptical that storaged is self-contained > 16:51:31 <jwb> but if you guys already did this then there's no reason to discuss > 16:52:00 <jsmith_work> Yeah, doesn't sound self-contained to me > 16:52:06 <nirik> I am sure we did discuss it, but I can't find the logs. ;) > 16:52:28 <nirik> so, how about we punt this to next week and can close it in the mean time if we figure out the logs. > 16:52:44 <jsmith_work> nirik: +1, as long as we also ask them to change it to a system-wide change > 16:52:53 <maxamillion> iirc, it wasn't that udisks2 was going away but certain things were planning to make the switch to storaged > 16:53:06 <maxamillion> but yeah, +1 to nirik > 16:53:28 <nirik> #topic Open Floor > 16:53:34 <nirik> anyone have anything for open floor? > 16:54:20 <jwb> yes > 16:54:25 <jwb> when are the next fesco elections? > 16:54:44 <nirik> good question. > 16:54:45 * jsmith_work will likely miss next week's meeting, or at a minimum, will be late > 16:56:11 <nirik> should be next month after release? > 16:56:48 <nirik> last year was june... https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Elections&oldid=416869 > 16:56:48 <jwb> think so > 16:57:00 <jwb> just curious really > 16:57:23 <jwb> #info FESCo elections coming up soon. Start thinking if you want to run! > 16:57:38 * nirik nods. > 16:57:47 <nirik> If nothing else will close out in a minute... > 16:58:40 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone! > 16:58:43 <nirik> #endmeeting > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > -- Jan Kuřík Platform & Fedora Program Manager Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
