Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-05-06)

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#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2016-05-06)
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Meeting started by nirik at 16:00:23 UTC. The full logs are available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-05-06/fesco.2016-05-06-16.00.log.html
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Meeting summary
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* init process  (nirik, 16:00:23)

* #1576 Evaluate Workstation graphical upgrade Change status  (nirik,
  16:08:06)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576   (nirik, 16:08:06)
  * AGREED: Change should move forward. QA and FESCo and developers will
    work to find a acceptable testing process. (+5,0,0)  (nirik,
    16:16:23)

* #1444 updates deliverables  (nirik, 16:18:44)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444   (nirik, 16:18:44)
  * will check back on this next week to gather info about last
    deliverable  (nirik, 16:20:23)

* #1514 Policy for autogenerated code  (nirik, 16:20:50)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514   (nirik, 16:20:50)
  * AGREED: agree with sgallagh's answers in
    https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514#comment:7 (+5,0,0)
    (nirik, 16:28:37)

* #1570 F24 Changes not in ON_QA status (<100% completed)  (nirik,
  16:29:08)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1570   (nirik, 16:29:08)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1238426   (nirik,
    16:30:25)
  * AGREED: Approve the "Cloud MOTD" change (+5,0,0)  (nirik, 16:37:16)

* #1571 need guideance of what exactly needs to be built from source for
  Fedora Media Writer  (nirik, 16:38:59)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1571   (nirik, 16:38:59)
  * AGREED: will ask for a new f25 change with updated scope and
    information.  (nirik, 16:41:28)

* #1575 non-responsive packager: roma  (nirik, 16:41:48)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1575   (nirik, 16:41:48)

* 1568 F25 Self Contained Changes  (nirik, 16:48:19)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568   (nirik, 16:48:19)

* Open Floor  (nirik, 16:53:28)
  * FESCo elections coming up soon.  Start thinking if you want to run!
    (jwb, 16:57:23)

Meeting ended at 16:58:43 UTC.




Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (96)
* jsmith_work (30)
* number80 (29)
* jwb (28)
* maxamillion (25)
* zodbot (15)
* mattdm (11)
* rtnpro (8)
* handsome_pirate (8)
* danofsatx (1)
* sgallagh (0)
* paragan (0)
* kalev (0)
* jsmith (0)
* dgilmore (0)
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16:00:23 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2016-05-06)
16:00:23 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri May  6 16:00:23 2016 UTC.  The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
16:00:23 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
16:00:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2016-05-06)'
16:00:23 <nirik> #meetingname fesco
16:00:23 <nirik> #chair maxamillion dgilmore number80 jwb nirik paragan jsmith kalev sgallagh
16:00:23 <nirik> #topic init process
16:00:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
16:00:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore jsmith jwb kalev maxamillion nirik number80 paragan sgallagh
16:00:30 <nirik> who all is around for a fesco meeting?
16:00:36 <mattdm> hallo!
16:00:45 <nirik> I know dgilmore, sgallagh and kalev were not going to be around...
16:00:52 <number80> .hello hguemar
16:00:53 <zodbot> number80: hguemar 'Haïkel Guémar' <karlthered@xxxxxxxxx>
16:01:12 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion
16:01:13 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@xxxxxxxxx>
16:01:21 * handsome_pirate observes
16:02:08 <nirik> so thats 3... we may not make quorum today.
16:02:39 <mattdm> hmmm.
16:02:48 <jsmith_work> .hello jsmith
16:02:52 <zodbot> jsmith_work: jsmith 'Jared Smith' <jsmith.fedora@xxxxxxxxx>
16:02:53 <jsmith_work> Sorry, running a few minutes late
16:03:02 <mattdm> I'd like to know the fate of the workstation graphical update plan
16:03:48 <nirik> mattdm: well, kalev and hugsie aren't going to be here today, so not sure what we can get done today...
16:04:08 <nirik> it sounded like the plan was to push a f23 update with stuff disabled and have a way to enable it for testing...
16:04:09 <mattdm> okay. that means it _definitely_ can't be mentioned in the rh blog announcement
16:04:13 * danofsatx watches from sidelines
16:04:14 <nirik> yeah. ;(
16:04:25 <mattdm> hopefully for the fedora annoucement and blogs, we can have a link, though
16:05:01 <nirik> yeah, that would be nice. I know a lot of people jump over on Beta these days.
16:05:39 * nirik waits a few more minutes to see if paragn or jwb arrive...
16:05:39 * handsome_pirate jumps on a day or so after branch :)
16:07:17 <jwb> i'm 1/2 here today
16:07:47 <nirik> ok, thats quorum then (well, minus a bit) :)
16:08:06 <nirik> #topic #1576 Evaluate Workstation graphical upgrade Change status
16:08:06 <jwb> i promise to read logs fully if i fall behind before voting on anything
16:08:06 <nirik> .fesco 1576
16:08:06 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576
16:08:08 <zodbot> nirik: #1576 (Evaluate Workstation graphical upgrade Change status) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576
16:08:15 <nirik> mattdm wanted us to look at this first...
16:08:59 <jwb> i actually read this one over.  i agree with sgallagh in the ticket and i think this should go ahead and we can re-evaluate closer to GA
16:09:28 <nirik> me too. I like the idea of a f23 update with stuff disabled and enableable via some key or the like...
16:09:40 <maxamillion> sounds good to me
16:09:43 <nirik> that way people can test it
16:09:43 <jsmith_work> That sounds fine to me
16:10:48 <jwb> nirik: yes, that seems reasonable as well
16:11:11 <nirik> so, can anyone articulate a proposal we can vote on/approve here?
16:12:33 <jsmith_work> Proposal: Allow Workstation graphical upgrade in an F23 update (disabled) with a key to enable for testing
16:12:34 <nirik> proposal: Change should move forward. QA and FESCo and developers will work to find a acceptable testing process.
16:13:04 <nirik> either way +1
16:13:12 <jsmith_work> +1 to nirik's proposal
16:13:23 <maxamillion> +1
16:14:13 <nirik> number80 / jwb ^
16:14:17 <jwb> +1
16:16:13 <number80> +1
16:16:23 <nirik> #agreed Change should move forward. QA and FESCo and developers will work to find a acceptable testing process. (+5,0,0)
16:16:46 <mattdm> I'd like is a page (fedora magazine article?) showing the process for enabling testing...
16:16:57 <jsmith_work> mattdm: +1
16:16:58 <mattdm> ("What I'd like is..")
16:17:03 <maxamillion> mattdm: who are you asking that of?
16:17:06 <mattdm> and then I can link to that
16:17:09 <nirik> yeah. I don't think the code is even written yet, but yeah
16:17:13 <mattdm> maxamillion: I guess Workstation developers?
16:17:16 <mattdm> Or QA?
16:17:25 <maxamillion> mattdm: rgr
16:17:28 <nirik> sounded like kalev was going to work on it.
16:17:36 <mattdm> Heck, if I know what the procedure is, I can write the page
16:18:11 <jwb> yay kalev
16:18:44 <nirik> #topic #1444 updates deliverables
16:18:44 <nirik> .fesco 1444
16:18:44 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444
16:18:45 <zodbot> nirik: #1444 (updates deliverables) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444
16:19:11 <nirik> maxamillion: any chance to talk to groups about updating deliverables?
16:19:56 <maxamillion> nirik: yes, there was one deliverable left that needed more discussion though so probably need to defer
16:20:06 <nirik> ok, fair enough.
16:20:08 <nirik> next week?
16:20:13 <maxamillion> nirik: should be good, yes
16:20:23 <nirik> #info will check back on this next week to gather info about last deliverable
16:20:26 <nirik> thanks
16:20:30 <maxamillion> certainly
16:20:50 <nirik> #topic #1514 Policy for autogenerated code
16:20:50 <nirik> .fesco 1514
16:20:50 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514
16:20:51 <zodbot> nirik: #1514 (Policy for autogenerated code) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514
16:22:07 <jsmith_work> I'm perfectly fine with sgallagh's suggestion on the ticket
16:22:52 <nirik> me too
16:22:55 <number80> The same but what's legal input?
16:23:09 <maxamillion> yeah, I'm on board with that but would also be interested in what legal has to say
16:23:16 <number80> or is it totally left to our appreciation?
16:23:54 <jwb> legal just pointed to the existing page
16:24:01 <jwb> so they think it covers this ticket already
16:24:05 <number80> then, let's vote on sgallagh proposal
16:24:39 <nirik> yeah, not 100% clear to me, but I think that answers everything still pending.
16:25:26 <nirik> proposal: agree with sgallagh's answers in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514#comment:7
16:25:31 <number80> +1
16:25:33 <jsmith_work> +1 from me
16:26:04 <nirik> +1
16:26:17 <handsome_pirate> right quick
16:26:18 <maxamillion> +1
16:26:18 <handsome_pirate> question
16:26:35 <nirik> go ahead?
16:26:36 <jsmith_work> handsome_pirate: Go ahead...
16:26:38 <handsome_pirate> What if the source, as released by $upstream is pregenerated?
16:26:53 <handsome_pirate> As in, if I go to pypi, the tarball is all pregenned code
16:27:01 <handsome_pirate> or mostly so
16:27:23 <number80> then, it has to ship master sources somehow
16:27:48 <nirik> right: "It is required that the original source files from which the code was generated be included in the srpm
16:28:05 <jwb> +1
16:28:13 <handsome_pirate> all right, thanks
16:28:23 <nirik> proposal: agree with sgallagh's answers in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514#comment:7 (+5,0,0)
16:28:28 <nirik> oops
16:28:37 <nirik> #agreed agree with sgallagh's answers in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514#comment:7 (+5,0,0)
16:29:08 <nirik> #topic #1570 F24 Changes not in ON_QA status (<100% completed)
16:29:08 <nirik> .fesco 1570
16:29:08 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1570
16:29:09 <zodbot> nirik: #1570 (F24 Changes not in ON_QA status (<100% completed)) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1570
16:30:11 <nirik> we have cloud motd left
16:30:20 <jwb> i think the trend here is to tell maxamillion that he cannot be responsible for everything because he does not scale ;)
16:30:25 <nirik> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1238426
16:30:28 <jsmith_work> jwb: +1
16:30:34 <maxamillion> jwb: wait, about what?
16:30:41 <number80> cloud motd
16:30:48 <jwb> "According to developer (rtnpro) the Change is committed and 100% completed. However they do not want to switch the tracking bug to ON_QA till there will be a review completed by Adam Miller."
16:31:02 <maxamillion> wait, why me?
16:31:10 <nirik> I can spin up a beta cloud image real quick and see if it's done?
16:31:12 <jwb> i have no idea
16:31:20 <jwb> apparently people think you own this?
16:31:32 <number80> maybe, he's confusing with the other M. Miller
16:31:35 <jsmith_work> maxamillion: I guess I blindly assumed you had volunteered to test it...
16:31:57 <maxamillion> o.O;
16:31:58 <jsmith_work> maxamillion: My apologies for assuming wrongly :-(
16:32:27 <jsmith_work> rtnpro: Are you around/awake?
16:32:54 <rtnpro> jsmith_work, yes
16:32:56 <rtnpro> dustymabe had tested the package and gave some feedback
16:33:05 <rtnpro> I am working on the issues he had reported
16:33:14 <rtnpro> I will push an update tomorrow
16:33:23 <maxamillion> rtnpro: +1
16:33:26 <number80> rtnpro: is it ready for a beta or not?
16:33:33 <rtnpro> there were some SELinux permission issues on atomic host
16:33:38 <number80> I mean it does not have to be perfect
16:33:46 <number80> that's fixable
16:34:21 <number80> then, we can assume, it's on schedule then
16:34:29 <jsmith_work> Proposal: Approve the "Cloud MOTD" change
16:34:30 <rtnpro> number80, in terms of code, yes, however, I need to fix that SELinux issue in the package
16:34:46 <jwb> +1
16:34:52 <number80> +1
16:34:54 <nirik> it's not yet in though right?
16:35:08 <number80> rtnpro: the alternative was to completely drop that feature for F24
16:35:18 <nirik> well, to move to f25?
16:35:29 <maxamillion> +1
16:35:31 <number80> I'm pretty sure that selinux permissions is fixable very soon
16:35:38 <number80> nirik: yes
16:35:45 <rtnpro> number80, yeah
16:36:01 <jwb> out of all the changes, this one seems like the easiest to fudge
16:36:02 <nirik> I am looking at a beta cloud image and it's not there yet, but I guess the impact is pretty small really...
16:36:10 <jwb> i don't see a reason to defer yet
16:36:13 <nirik> so sure, +1 to finish it up and get it working
16:36:17 <number80> yup, it's been deferred for too long
16:36:31 * nirik tries to count votes
16:36:44 <jwb> you have 4
16:36:53 <number80> jsmith_work: ^
16:37:00 <jwb> oh 5 since jsmith_work made the proposal
16:37:05 <nirik> well, jsmith_work proposed, so I assumed it was +1
16:37:16 <nirik> #agreed Approve the "Cloud MOTD" change (+5,0,0)
16:37:29 <number80> rtnpro++
16:37:29 <zodbot> number80: Karma for rtnpro changed to 6 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:37:33 <nirik> rtnpro: let us know if you run into any issues...
16:37:41 <rtnpro> nirik, sure
16:38:02 <jsmith_work> Yeah, sorry -- +1 to my own approval
16:38:11 <jsmith_work> s/approval/proposal/
16:38:17 * jsmith_work can't multi-task today
16:38:59 <nirik> #topic #1571 need guideance of what exactly needs to be built from source for Fedora Media Writer
16:38:59 <nirik> fesco 1571
16:38:59 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1571
16:39:26 <nirik> I think we should close this and ask they update and come back with a f25 version of the change...
16:39:58 <maxamillion> nirik: +1
16:39:58 <jsmith_work> nirik: I was just going to propose the same thing :-)
16:40:21 <jwb> +1
16:40:33 <number80> +1
16:41:08 <jsmith_work> Obviously, +1 from me
16:41:13 <nirik> ok, will update the ticket then. ;)
16:41:28 <nirik> #agreed will ask for a new f25 change with updated scope and information.
16:41:48 <nirik> #topic #1575 non-responsive packager: roma
16:41:48 <nirik> .fesco 1574
16:41:48 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1575
16:41:49 <zodbot> nirik: #1574 (F25 System Wide Change: Removing Perl from Build Root) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1574
16:42:23 <jsmith_work> Didn't we approve this last week?
16:42:40 <number80> 1575 is new
16:42:53 <nirik> oops.
16:42:53 <number80> (likely a typo for 1574)
16:42:59 <jsmith_work> Ah, that's 1574
16:42:59 <nirik> yeah, likely a typo there.
16:43:05 * nirik blames sgallagh. ;)
16:43:24 <number80> +1 to the request and orphaning all roma packages
16:43:39 <number80> at least, the process was done *correctly*
16:44:00 <jsmith_work> We may want to add roma to the ticket
16:44:18 <maxamillion> jsmith_work: +1
16:44:28 <number80> +0
16:44:29 <jsmith_work> Proposal: Add roma to the ticket and revisit next week
16:44:41 <number80> +0
16:44:44 <nirik> well, ok, but they didn't answer anything else...
16:44:52 <nirik> not sure thats going to get any response either. ;)
16:45:00 <maxamillion> yeah
16:45:13 <number80> well, I can wait one more week
16:45:21 <jsmith_work> nirik: I'm under no illusions that it will
16:45:22 <nirik> and it's been about a year since a koji build or update submission...
16:45:22 <maxamillion> actually, I'm inclined to +1 transfer of ownership and orphaning
16:45:48 <nirik> yeah, I would perfer just doing it...
16:46:04 <number80> middle-ground is transfer ownership right now for php-getid3
16:46:09 <nirik> if they do magically appear they still have acls and can comaintain or take ownership back
16:46:29 <jsmith_work> Me is fine with doing it now
16:46:42 <jsmith_work> Ugh... still can't type
16:47:19 <nirik> jwb: ^
16:47:26 <jwb> +0
16:47:45 <nirik> ok, so I guess we defer to next week then?
16:47:50 <jwb> guess so
16:47:58 <nirik> thats fine. ;)
16:48:15 <nirik> last ticket! :)
16:48:18 <maxamillion> woot
16:48:19 <nirik> #topic 1568 F25 Self Contained Changes
16:48:19 <nirik> .fesco 1568
16:48:19 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568
16:48:21 <zodbot> nirik: #1568 (F25 Self Contained Changes) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568
16:49:23 <nirik> did we do this one last week?
16:49:49 <maxamillion> I thought we did also
16:50:01 <maxamillion> errr
16:50:09 <maxamillion> actually, I thought we did the week before, I wasn't here last week
16:50:36 <jsmith_work> Right... I think I caught just the tail-end of the meeting where it was discussed
16:51:23 <jwb> i'm pretty skeptical that storaged is self-contained
16:51:31 <jwb> but if you guys already did this then there's no reason to discuss
16:52:00 <jsmith_work> Yeah, doesn't sound self-contained to me
16:52:06 <nirik> I am sure we did discuss it, but I can't find the logs. ;)
16:52:28 <nirik> so, how about we punt this to next week and can close it in the mean time if we figure out the logs.
16:52:44 <jsmith_work> nirik: +1, as long as we also ask them to change it to a system-wide change
16:52:53 <maxamillion> iirc, it wasn't that udisks2 was going away but certain things were planning to make the switch to storaged
16:53:06 <maxamillion> but yeah, +1 to nirik
16:53:28 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
16:53:34 <nirik> anyone have anything for open floor?
16:54:20 <jwb> yes
16:54:25 <jwb> when are the next fesco elections?
16:54:44 <nirik> good question.
16:54:45 * jsmith_work will likely miss next week's meeting, or at a minimum, will be late
16:56:11 <nirik> should be next month after release?
16:56:48 <nirik> last year was june... https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Elections&oldid=416869
16:56:48 <jwb> think so
16:57:00 <jwb> just curious really
16:57:23 <jwb> #info FESCo elections coming up soon.  Start thinking if you want to run!
16:57:38 * nirik nods.
16:57:47 <nirik> If nothing else will close out in a minute...
16:58:40 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone!
16:58:43 <nirik> #endmeeting

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