=================================== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2016-05-06) =================================== Meeting started by nirik at 16:00:23 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-05-06/fesco.2016-05-06-16.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 16:00:23) * #1576 Evaluate Workstation graphical upgrade Change status (nirik, 16:08:06) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576 (nirik, 16:08:06) * AGREED: Change should move forward. QA and FESCo and developers will work to find a acceptable testing process. (+5,0,0) (nirik, 16:16:23) * #1444 updates deliverables (nirik, 16:18:44) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444 (nirik, 16:18:44) * will check back on this next week to gather info about last deliverable (nirik, 16:20:23) * #1514 Policy for autogenerated code (nirik, 16:20:50) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514 (nirik, 16:20:50) * AGREED: agree with sgallagh's answers in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514#comment:7 (+5,0,0) (nirik, 16:28:37) * #1570 F24 Changes not in ON_QA status (<100% completed) (nirik, 16:29:08) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1570 (nirik, 16:29:08) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1238426 (nirik, 16:30:25) * AGREED: Approve the "Cloud MOTD" change (+5,0,0) (nirik, 16:37:16) * #1571 need guideance of what exactly needs to be built from source for Fedora Media Writer (nirik, 16:38:59) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1571 (nirik, 16:38:59) * AGREED: will ask for a new f25 change with updated scope and information. (nirik, 16:41:28) * #1575 non-responsive packager: roma (nirik, 16:41:48) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1575 (nirik, 16:41:48) * 1568 F25 Self Contained Changes (nirik, 16:48:19) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568 (nirik, 16:48:19) * Open Floor (nirik, 16:53:28) * FESCo elections coming up soon. Start thinking if you want to run! (jwb, 16:57:23) Meeting ended at 16:58:43 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (96) * jsmith_work (30) * number80 (29) * jwb (28) * maxamillion (25) * zodbot (15) * mattdm (11) * rtnpro (8) * handsome_pirate (8) * danofsatx (1) * sgallagh (0) * paragan (0) * kalev (0) * jsmith (0) * dgilmore (0) -- 16:00:23 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2016-05-06) 16:00:23 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri May 6 16:00:23 2016 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:23 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2016-05-06)' 16:00:23 <nirik> #meetingname fesco 16:00:23 <nirik> #chair maxamillion dgilmore number80 jwb nirik paragan jsmith kalev sgallagh 16:00:23 <nirik> #topic init process 16:00:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 16:00:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore jsmith jwb kalev maxamillion nirik number80 paragan sgallagh 16:00:30 <nirik> who all is around for a fesco meeting? 16:00:36 <mattdm> hallo! 16:00:45 <nirik> I know dgilmore, sgallagh and kalev were not going to be around... 16:00:52 <number80> .hello hguemar 16:00:53 <zodbot> number80: hguemar 'Haïkel Guémar' <karlthered@xxxxxxxxx> 16:01:12 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion 16:01:13 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@xxxxxxxxx> 16:01:21 * handsome_pirate observes 16:02:08 <nirik> so thats 3... we may not make quorum today. 16:02:39 <mattdm> hmmm. 16:02:48 <jsmith_work> .hello jsmith 16:02:52 <zodbot> jsmith_work: jsmith 'Jared Smith' <jsmith.fedora@xxxxxxxxx> 16:02:53 <jsmith_work> Sorry, running a few minutes late 16:03:02 <mattdm> I'd like to know the fate of the workstation graphical update plan 16:03:48 <nirik> mattdm: well, kalev and hugsie aren't going to be here today, so not sure what we can get done today... 16:04:08 <nirik> it sounded like the plan was to push a f23 update with stuff disabled and have a way to enable it for testing... 16:04:09 <mattdm> okay. that means it _definitely_ can't be mentioned in the rh blog announcement 16:04:13 * danofsatx watches from sidelines 16:04:14 <nirik> yeah. ;( 16:04:25 <mattdm> hopefully for the fedora annoucement and blogs, we can have a link, though 16:05:01 <nirik> yeah, that would be nice. I know a lot of people jump over on Beta these days. 16:05:39 * nirik waits a few more minutes to see if paragn or jwb arrive... 16:05:39 * handsome_pirate jumps on a day or so after branch :) 16:07:17 <jwb> i'm 1/2 here today 16:07:47 <nirik> ok, thats quorum then (well, minus a bit) :) 16:08:06 <nirik> #topic #1576 Evaluate Workstation graphical upgrade Change status 16:08:06 <jwb> i promise to read logs fully if i fall behind before voting on anything 16:08:06 <nirik> .fesco 1576 16:08:06 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576 16:08:08 <zodbot> nirik: #1576 (Evaluate Workstation graphical upgrade Change status) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576 16:08:15 <nirik> mattdm wanted us to look at this first... 16:08:59 <jwb> i actually read this one over. i agree with sgallagh in the ticket and i think this should go ahead and we can re-evaluate closer to GA 16:09:28 <nirik> me too. I like the idea of a f23 update with stuff disabled and enableable via some key or the like... 16:09:40 <maxamillion> sounds good to me 16:09:43 <nirik> that way people can test it 16:09:43 <jsmith_work> That sounds fine to me 16:10:48 <jwb> nirik: yes, that seems reasonable as well 16:11:11 <nirik> so, can anyone articulate a proposal we can vote on/approve here? 16:12:33 <jsmith_work> Proposal: Allow Workstation graphical upgrade in an F23 update (disabled) with a key to enable for testing 16:12:34 <nirik> proposal: Change should move forward. QA and FESCo and developers will work to find a acceptable testing process. 16:13:04 <nirik> either way +1 16:13:12 <jsmith_work> +1 to nirik's proposal 16:13:23 <maxamillion> +1 16:14:13 <nirik> number80 / jwb ^ 16:14:17 <jwb> +1 16:16:13 <number80> +1 16:16:23 <nirik> #agreed Change should move forward. QA and FESCo and developers will work to find a acceptable testing process. (+5,0,0) 16:16:46 <mattdm> I'd like is a page (fedora magazine article?) showing the process for enabling testing... 16:16:57 <jsmith_work> mattdm: +1 16:16:58 <mattdm> ("What I'd like is..") 16:17:03 <maxamillion> mattdm: who are you asking that of? 16:17:06 <mattdm> and then I can link to that 16:17:09 <nirik> yeah. I don't think the code is even written yet, but yeah 16:17:13 <mattdm> maxamillion: I guess Workstation developers? 16:17:16 <mattdm> Or QA? 16:17:25 <maxamillion> mattdm: rgr 16:17:28 <nirik> sounded like kalev was going to work on it. 16:17:36 <mattdm> Heck, if I know what the procedure is, I can write the page 16:18:11 <jwb> yay kalev 16:18:44 <nirik> #topic #1444 updates deliverables 16:18:44 <nirik> .fesco 1444 16:18:44 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444 16:18:45 <zodbot> nirik: #1444 (updates deliverables) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444 16:19:11 <nirik> maxamillion: any chance to talk to groups about updating deliverables? 16:19:56 <maxamillion> nirik: yes, there was one deliverable left that needed more discussion though so probably need to defer 16:20:06 <nirik> ok, fair enough. 16:20:08 <nirik> next week? 16:20:13 <maxamillion> nirik: should be good, yes 16:20:23 <nirik> #info will check back on this next week to gather info about last deliverable 16:20:26 <nirik> thanks 16:20:30 <maxamillion> certainly 16:20:50 <nirik> #topic #1514 Policy for autogenerated code 16:20:50 <nirik> .fesco 1514 16:20:50 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514 16:20:51 <zodbot> nirik: #1514 (Policy for autogenerated code) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514 16:22:07 <jsmith_work> I'm perfectly fine with sgallagh's suggestion on the ticket 16:22:52 <nirik> me too 16:22:55 <number80> The same but what's legal input? 16:23:09 <maxamillion> yeah, I'm on board with that but would also be interested in what legal has to say 16:23:16 <number80> or is it totally left to our appreciation? 16:23:54 <jwb> legal just pointed to the existing page 16:24:01 <jwb> so they think it covers this ticket already 16:24:05 <number80> then, let's vote on sgallagh proposal 16:24:39 <nirik> yeah, not 100% clear to me, but I think that answers everything still pending. 16:25:26 <nirik> proposal: agree with sgallagh's answers in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514#comment:7 16:25:31 <number80> +1 16:25:33 <jsmith_work> +1 from me 16:26:04 <nirik> +1 16:26:17 <handsome_pirate> right quick 16:26:18 <maxamillion> +1 16:26:18 <handsome_pirate> question 16:26:35 <nirik> go ahead? 16:26:36 <jsmith_work> handsome_pirate: Go ahead... 16:26:38 <handsome_pirate> What if the source, as released by $upstream is pregenerated? 16:26:53 <handsome_pirate> As in, if I go to pypi, the tarball is all pregenned code 16:27:01 <handsome_pirate> or mostly so 16:27:23 <number80> then, it has to ship master sources somehow 16:27:48 <nirik> right: "It is required that the original source files from which the code was generated be included in the srpm 16:28:05 <jwb> +1 16:28:13 <handsome_pirate> all right, thanks 16:28:23 <nirik> proposal: agree with sgallagh's answers in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514#comment:7 (+5,0,0) 16:28:28 <nirik> oops 16:28:37 <nirik> #agreed agree with sgallagh's answers in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514#comment:7 (+5,0,0) 16:29:08 <nirik> #topic #1570 F24 Changes not in ON_QA status (<100% completed) 16:29:08 <nirik> .fesco 1570 16:29:08 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1570 16:29:09 <zodbot> nirik: #1570 (F24 Changes not in ON_QA status (<100% completed)) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1570 16:30:11 <nirik> we have cloud motd left 16:30:20 <jwb> i think the trend here is to tell maxamillion that he cannot be responsible for everything because he does not scale ;) 16:30:25 <nirik> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1238426 16:30:28 <jsmith_work> jwb: +1 16:30:34 <maxamillion> jwb: wait, about what? 16:30:41 <number80> cloud motd 16:30:48 <jwb> "According to developer (rtnpro) the Change is committed and 100% completed. However they do not want to switch the tracking bug to ON_QA till there will be a review completed by Adam Miller." 16:31:02 <maxamillion> wait, why me? 16:31:10 <nirik> I can spin up a beta cloud image real quick and see if it's done? 16:31:12 <jwb> i have no idea 16:31:20 <jwb> apparently people think you own this? 16:31:32 <number80> maybe, he's confusing with the other M. Miller 16:31:35 <jsmith_work> maxamillion: I guess I blindly assumed you had volunteered to test it... 16:31:57 <maxamillion> o.O; 16:31:58 <jsmith_work> maxamillion: My apologies for assuming wrongly :-( 16:32:27 <jsmith_work> rtnpro: Are you around/awake? 16:32:54 <rtnpro> jsmith_work, yes 16:32:56 <rtnpro> dustymabe had tested the package and gave some feedback 16:33:05 <rtnpro> I am working on the issues he had reported 16:33:14 <rtnpro> I will push an update tomorrow 16:33:23 <maxamillion> rtnpro: +1 16:33:26 <number80> rtnpro: is it ready for a beta or not? 16:33:33 <rtnpro> there were some SELinux permission issues on atomic host 16:33:38 <number80> I mean it does not have to be perfect 16:33:46 <number80> that's fixable 16:34:21 <number80> then, we can assume, it's on schedule then 16:34:29 <jsmith_work> Proposal: Approve the "Cloud MOTD" change 16:34:30 <rtnpro> number80, in terms of code, yes, however, I need to fix that SELinux issue in the package 16:34:46 <jwb> +1 16:34:52 <number80> +1 16:34:54 <nirik> it's not yet in though right? 16:35:08 <number80> rtnpro: the alternative was to completely drop that feature for F24 16:35:18 <nirik> well, to move to f25? 16:35:29 <maxamillion> +1 16:35:31 <number80> I'm pretty sure that selinux permissions is fixable very soon 16:35:38 <number80> nirik: yes 16:35:45 <rtnpro> number80, yeah 16:36:01 <jwb> out of all the changes, this one seems like the easiest to fudge 16:36:02 <nirik> I am looking at a beta cloud image and it's not there yet, but I guess the impact is pretty small really... 16:36:10 <jwb> i don't see a reason to defer yet 16:36:13 <nirik> so sure, +1 to finish it up and get it working 16:36:17 <number80> yup, it's been deferred for too long 16:36:31 * nirik tries to count votes 16:36:44 <jwb> you have 4 16:36:53 <number80> jsmith_work: ^ 16:37:00 <jwb> oh 5 since jsmith_work made the proposal 16:37:05 <nirik> well, jsmith_work proposed, so I assumed it was +1 16:37:16 <nirik> #agreed Approve the "Cloud MOTD" change (+5,0,0) 16:37:29 <number80> rtnpro++ 16:37:29 <zodbot> number80: Karma for rtnpro changed to 6 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:37:33 <nirik> rtnpro: let us know if you run into any issues... 16:37:41 <rtnpro> nirik, sure 16:38:02 <jsmith_work> Yeah, sorry -- +1 to my own approval 16:38:11 <jsmith_work> s/approval/proposal/ 16:38:17 * jsmith_work can't multi-task today 16:38:59 <nirik> #topic #1571 need guideance of what exactly needs to be built from source for Fedora Media Writer 16:38:59 <nirik> fesco 1571 16:38:59 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1571 16:39:26 <nirik> I think we should close this and ask they update and come back with a f25 version of the change... 16:39:58 <maxamillion> nirik: +1 16:39:58 <jsmith_work> nirik: I was just going to propose the same thing :-) 16:40:21 <jwb> +1 16:40:33 <number80> +1 16:41:08 <jsmith_work> Obviously, +1 from me 16:41:13 <nirik> ok, will update the ticket then. ;) 16:41:28 <nirik> #agreed will ask for a new f25 change with updated scope and information. 16:41:48 <nirik> #topic #1575 non-responsive packager: roma 16:41:48 <nirik> .fesco 1574 16:41:48 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1575 16:41:49 <zodbot> nirik: #1574 (F25 System Wide Change: Removing Perl from Build Root) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1574 16:42:23 <jsmith_work> Didn't we approve this last week? 16:42:40 <number80> 1575 is new 16:42:53 <nirik> oops. 16:42:53 <number80> (likely a typo for 1574) 16:42:59 <jsmith_work> Ah, that's 1574 16:42:59 <nirik> yeah, likely a typo there. 16:43:05 * nirik blames sgallagh. ;) 16:43:24 <number80> +1 to the request and orphaning all roma packages 16:43:39 <number80> at least, the process was done *correctly* 16:44:00 <jsmith_work> We may want to add roma to the ticket 16:44:18 <maxamillion> jsmith_work: +1 16:44:28 <number80> +0 16:44:29 <jsmith_work> Proposal: Add roma to the ticket and revisit next week 16:44:41 <number80> +0 16:44:44 <nirik> well, ok, but they didn't answer anything else... 16:44:52 <nirik> not sure thats going to get any response either. ;) 16:45:00 <maxamillion> yeah 16:45:13 <number80> well, I can wait one more week 16:45:21 <jsmith_work> nirik: I'm under no illusions that it will 16:45:22 <nirik> and it's been about a year since a koji build or update submission... 16:45:22 <maxamillion> actually, I'm inclined to +1 transfer of ownership and orphaning 16:45:48 <nirik> yeah, I would perfer just doing it... 16:46:04 <number80> middle-ground is transfer ownership right now for php-getid3 16:46:09 <nirik> if they do magically appear they still have acls and can comaintain or take ownership back 16:46:29 <jsmith_work> Me is fine with doing it now 16:46:42 <jsmith_work> Ugh... still can't type 16:47:19 <nirik> jwb: ^ 16:47:26 <jwb> +0 16:47:45 <nirik> ok, so I guess we defer to next week then? 16:47:50 <jwb> guess so 16:47:58 <nirik> thats fine. ;) 16:48:15 <nirik> last ticket! :) 16:48:18 <maxamillion> woot 16:48:19 <nirik> #topic 1568 F25 Self Contained Changes 16:48:19 <nirik> .fesco 1568 16:48:19 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568 16:48:21 <zodbot> nirik: #1568 (F25 Self Contained Changes) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568 16:49:23 <nirik> did we do this one last week? 16:49:49 <maxamillion> I thought we did also 16:50:01 <maxamillion> errr 16:50:09 <maxamillion> actually, I thought we did the week before, I wasn't here last week 16:50:36 <jsmith_work> Right... I think I caught just the tail-end of the meeting where it was discussed 16:51:23 <jwb> i'm pretty skeptical that storaged is self-contained 16:51:31 <jwb> but if you guys already did this then there's no reason to discuss 16:52:00 <jsmith_work> Yeah, doesn't sound self-contained to me 16:52:06 <nirik> I am sure we did discuss it, but I can't find the logs. ;) 16:52:28 <nirik> so, how about we punt this to next week and can close it in the mean time if we figure out the logs. 16:52:44 <jsmith_work> nirik: +1, as long as we also ask them to change it to a system-wide change 16:52:53 <maxamillion> iirc, it wasn't that udisks2 was going away but certain things were planning to make the switch to storaged 16:53:06 <maxamillion> but yeah, +1 to nirik 16:53:28 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 16:53:34 <nirik> anyone have anything for open floor? 16:54:20 <jwb> yes 16:54:25 <jwb> when are the next fesco elections? 16:54:44 <nirik> good question. 16:54:45 * jsmith_work will likely miss next week's meeting, or at a minimum, will be late 16:56:11 <nirik> should be next month after release? 16:56:48 <nirik> last year was june... https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Elections&oldid=416869 16:56:48 <jwb> think so 16:57:00 <jwb> just curious really 16:57:23 <jwb> #info FESCo elections coming up soon. Start thinking if you want to run! 16:57:38 * nirik nods. 16:57:47 <nirik> If nothing else will close out in a minute... 16:58:40 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone! 16:58:43 <nirik> #endmeeting
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