On 27 April 2016 at 10:00, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Stephen John Smoogen <smooge@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On 26 April 2016 at 22:00, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> OK folks, it's Bad Decision Time. >>> >> >>> I realize this is inopportune, but it's best if we figure out *immediately* how >>> we're going to handle this. >>> >>> >>> Options: >>> 1) Downgrade back to 4.x, downgrading or dropping any modules in the collection >>> that don't run on that LTS version. >>> 2) Stick with 5.x for the life of Fedora 24, handling security backports >>> ourselves once it hits EOL this summer. >>> 3) Upgrade to 6.x, fixing or dropping any modules in the collection that don't >>> run on it yet. >>> >> >> 4) Drop NodeJS from Fedora 24 altogether. If there isn't one already, >> have a nodejs team built of people who are interested in it and are >> committed to doing things like side builds and similar requirements. > > That would be a pretty big regression considering it has been in > Fedora for a while. The user experience of needing nodejs and then > having to hunt for it after upgrade seems poor. > >> They can then have a plan on what nodejs work should be done and what >> plans they will align on. This would be similar to the perl/python and >> other groups.. and makes sure that when someone bows out it doesn't >> kill the entire stack until someone comes in to build the work again. > > I don't disagree having a nodejs team would be a good idea, but I > think you're being a bit unfair to Stephen. He hasn't bowed out yet > and even a well intentioned nodejs team could have made the same > choices that led to this situation. > I apologize that I came out as being unfair to Stephen. I was hoping that I was being even more fair as I don't see this as his fault or problem to have solve by himself. I was seeing a lot of people with solutions that required him to do even more work and larger herculean tasks without anyone stepping up with a "Hey what can I do to help you here" but a lot of "How about you do this.." To me Fedora should always be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Soup and not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Red_Hen . The conversation to me was tending towards the latter and I wanted to make sure Stephen had the freedom to say "ok that is enough." without feeling like he has to burn himself out to 'save' a release. > josh > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
