On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, 2015-09-11 at 07:42 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Fri, 2015-09-11 at 09:02 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> > One can only tilt at windmills for so long before one's horse gives >> > out. This battle has been fought for years and while it has not >> > been >> > entirely fruitless, it's not yielding significant results >> >> I think this rather undersells it, to be fair. I think that back >> before the emergence of large ecosystems where bundling was the norm, >> distro bundling policies probably *did* yield significant results - >> distros had more power then, the F/OSS ecosystem was smaller and >> easier to impose norms on. > > > Sorry, I was unclear. I do agree that once upon a time, this was > absolutely effective. I probably should have said something more along > the lines of what you did below; that the battlefield has changed and > our former tactics are no longer sufficient. > +1 - This is an unfortunate observation of the current state of the ecosystem. -AdamM > > >> The problem we face now is that the world >> has changed and there are huge chunks of the F/OSS ecosystem which >> see >> bundling as just the way they do things; the problem with our current >> policy is it gives us no way to even reasonably consider what's an >> appropriate relationship with those ecosystems. All we can do is >> repeat the ~1995 mantra that the One True Way to work with Fedora is >> to turn your software into some nicely unbundled RPM packages, which >> is something they will just laugh out of court, and then we're >> effectively just not talking to each other at all. >> >> I'd prefer us to have some kind of sensible relationship with those >> kinds of ecosystems - even if in the end it's simply to say 'the way >> you get this software on Fedora is to use their distribution >> mechanism', and our job is just to work with the ecosystem to make >> sure that works nicely on Fedora. >> -- >> Adam Williamson >> Fedora QA Community Monkey >> IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . >> net >> http://www.happyassassin.net >> >> > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
