On Fri, 2015-09-11 at 07:42 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2015-09-11 at 09:02 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > One can only tilt at windmills for so long before one's horse gives > > out. This battle has been fought for years and while it has not > > been > > entirely fruitless, it's not yielding significant results > > I think this rather undersells it, to be fair. I think that back > before the emergence of large ecosystems where bundling was the norm, > distro bundling policies probably *did* yield significant results - > distros had more power then, the F/OSS ecosystem was smaller and > easier to impose norms on. Sorry, I was unclear. I do agree that once upon a time, this was absolutely effective. I probably should have said something more along the lines of what you did below; that the battlefield has changed and our former tactics are no longer sufficient. > The problem we face now is that the world > has changed and there are huge chunks of the F/OSS ecosystem which > see > bundling as just the way they do things; the problem with our current > policy is it gives us no way to even reasonably consider what's an > appropriate relationship with those ecosystems. All we can do is > repeat the ~1995 mantra that the One True Way to work with Fedora is > to turn your software into some nicely unbundled RPM packages, which > is something they will just laugh out of court, and then we're > effectively just not talking to each other at all. > > I'd prefer us to have some kind of sensible relationship with those > kinds of ecosystems - even if in the end it's simply to say 'the way > you get this software on Fedora is to use their distribution > mechanism', and our job is just to work with the ecosystem to make > sure that works nicely on Fedora. > -- > Adam Williamson > Fedora QA Community Monkey > IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . > net > http://www.happyassassin.net > >
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