Re: F23 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

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On Tue, 2015-06-02 at 19:56 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 02.06.2015 um 19:49 schrieb Simo Sorce:
> > On Mon, 2015-06-01 at 23:15 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> a sane system should be as simple as possible so that *one* human is
> >> able to determine what is happening without hire 10 specialists for
> >> each
> >> layer
> >
> > There is no human able to understand a complex system like modern
> > computers and OSs, it is just an illusion
> 
> *because* more and more complexity is added with each release and then 
> another layer of complexity is added in the next release to mask the impact
> 
> on a stripped down Fedora 9 system the output of htop even on a notebook 
> did fit on a screen without scrolling
> 
> the whole purpose of Linux systems was to have open systems, open means 
> also basically understandable and not just "you can grab the source"

It would be nice if we were able to address complex problem always with
simple solutions, but we are humans, and we are not generally capable to
do that at the complexity level of a modern computer.

The solution proposed in this thread addresses real problems and real
pain.
For the workstation product it is really a no-brainer, especially when
installed on laptops.
For server it also have notable advantages as others have eloquently
illustrated.

Then there are a few corner cases where things can go south.

All considered the people that care for the Workstation and Server
product generally thinks the advantages *greatly* outweigh the
disadvantages in most situations and so a local resolver is seen as a
good idea to have enabled by default.

Not everyone can be pleased, and your points have actually already been
discussed and pondered before multiple times, I've seen nothing new in
your last messages.

Can we please get productive and bring up new data, if any, or stop
assaulting the list with "I do not like it!" kind of messages. We got
that you do not like it, but we do not need to turn everything you do
not like into a tragedy of the commons. Take a step back and put this
into perspective please, and let people that specialize in DNS related
matters do their job and trust their judgment once they explained to you
the reasons why a change has been proposed.

Simo.

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Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York

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