Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Disabled Repositories Support

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2015-03-18 18:51 GMT+01:00 Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx>:
On 03/18/2015 05:46 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Mike Pinkerton  wrote:


    What I don't understand is the wisdom of an official Fedora
    "product" endorsing a copr when either the software or packaging (or
    both) is not of sufficient quality to make it into the official
    Fedora repo.


I don't think of it as a endorsement.
I see them as a means of discouraging people from packaging for Fedora:

Ask yourself: "Why should I package a package properly, when I can get off 'cheap'?" - msuchy's rationale is along this line.

It is making them more easily
discoverable but there is going to be a prompt of some sort that warns
them of the nature of such software and users get to choose whether they
are willing to accept that tradeoff for immediate access.  One might
choose to use say, Chromium regardless of the bundling issues for example.

There are many more ways why a package not to be eligible for Fedora than "bundling":
- Illegal/patent-encumbered in the US, but legal to distribute in other countries.
- Legal to distribute binaries, repackaged for "packager lazyness", (e.g. Java) or complexity (foreign arch binaries needed to support cross-toolchains).
- Content-only packages (Videos, Audiofiles).
- Packages with ethical/political controversial contents.
...

In other words, if you are really serious about this plan, you need some authority to continuously review the packages in such "endorsed" repos, technically, legally and "politically".



The idea of use disabled-third-party-repos to ship non free software has been discused in the desktop list, this for example

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2015-February/011634.html

In fact, in the last meeting of the Workstation WG, one of the action items is:

* Third party repositories  (stickster, 15:41:18)
  * LINK:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Summary_table
    is interesting.  (stickster, 15:48:12)
  * LINK: https://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/spot/chromium/ , F21 last
    updated in january  (kalev, 16:08:47)
  * LINK:
    https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/churchyard/chromium-russianfedora/
    is the other i was thinking of  (jwb, 16:09:29)
  * AGREED: Go for Chrome next  (stickster, 16:15:39)
  * ACTION: cschalle stickster work up justification for Council and
    review gnome-software text for an appropriate warning to suggest
    (stickster, 16:16:12)

**Go for Chrome next.**

Here is the full text.

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2015-March/011722.html

I said in my first message that the purpose of the Change is to help people to install non-free software. Probably I was wrong and there are legitimate uses. Anyway what is true is that *some people* wants to use this Change to make it easy to install non-free software.



Sergio
 
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