On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Alexander Ploumistos <alex.ploumistos@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > What does the CLI-less-ness of Macs and their gazillion dollar industry have > to do with the rest of this discussion though? None really. I was just pushing back against the idea platform CLIness has anything to do with who is a developer vs IDE controller. > The fact that I take from this thread and which keeps getting buried in the > avalanche of postings, is that there is an ongoing and good effort to > provide graphical means for users to install, configure and use Fedora on > their computers, without ever having to use a terminal because there is no > alternative. Those who enjoy using a terminal will still be able to perform > those same tasks without bothering with the UI elements. New users will > always have the opportunity to discover the awesomeness of a shell, but by > choice; not by need. I agree. I'd still like to see a fedup + Software integration to make upgrades a routine aspect of the Fedora lifecycle rather than a major and seemingly risky event. Already, updating with Software is a completely trustworthy, single button click, single reboot experience. That's not at all the experience I had recently on Windows. Fedora has a certain advantage with the fast development cycle, which is that the upgrades aren't as big a leap in package versions as it is between e.g. Ubuntu's LTS releases. So I don't see the cycle time frame as inherently a problem, even for novices. Hardware OEM projects, like Sputnik, gravitate toward Ubuntu because a 5 year support model is familiar to them, and probably also that Canonical offers pay for support. More problematic, is Rawhide languishing during the intensive refinement needed after branch, followed by the sigh of exhaustion/relief, followed by the effort of a new wind up. I remain a proponent of making beta higher quality so that more people are wiling to test and find the major bugs before final is baked; and also to make the testing time period between beta and final less frantic that also risk late slips. -- Chris Murphy -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
