On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 08:55 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith > <jsmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > wrote: > >> > >> if *that* is what is supposed to make DNF faster it's just a lie > > > > > > This is not the only thing that DNF does differently to try to make package > > installations and updates go faster (or appear to go faster). Calling the > > developers liers doesn't help the situation any. > > > >> > >> if i am really interested in updates now i do "yum clean metadata && yum > >> upgrade" > >> for many years simply because you don't know how accurat you metadata are > > > > > > Sure, but you have to understand -- you're a power user. You know enough to > > do this in yum for your particular use case, which means you probably know > > enough to change the DNF settings with regards to cron-based metadata > > retrieval. What I think you're missing (and frankly, seem to miss in the > > lot of fedora-devel discussions you take part in) is that Fedora isn't > > engineered around *your* particular needs. We do things mostly by > > consensus, and aim to make it a pleasant experience for the *average* user > > (or whatever we have in the Fedora community that approximates an average > > user), and not just for power users with very specific needs and > > requirements. > > > > Whether you like it or not, one of the most common complaints about yum > > (especially from people coming from another package management system) is > > that it seems slow because of the necessity to download the metadata. The > > DNF developers -- in trying to address this common complaint -- had solved > > it by handling metadata in a different way. They've also added settings so > > that power users like you and I can tune it to better fit our particular > > needs. > > > >> > >> > >> and *no* traffic is not cheap everywhere, by far not > > > > > > I probably understand this better than a lot of people on this list, as I've > > been on a bandwidth-limited connection for the past nine years. Only in the > > past month have I been able to get high speed internet in my home that > > wasn't limited to a few gigabytes per month. So yes, I completely > > understand that traffic isn't cheap (or fast) everywhere. > > It should be at least smart enough to not do it on mobile broadband > (like packagekit does). Python + D-Bus example for detecting WWAN NetworkManager 0.9+ is here: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/tree/examples/python/dbus/is-wwan-default.py Dan -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
