On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 8:55 AM, drago01 <drago01@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith > <jsmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >>> >>> if *that* is what is supposed to make DNF faster it's just a lie >> >> >> This is not the only thing that DNF does differently to try to make package >> installations and updates go faster (or appear to go faster). Calling the >> developers liers doesn't help the situation any. >> >>> >>> if i am really interested in updates now i do "yum clean metadata && yum >>> upgrade" >>> for many years simply because you don't know how accurat you metadata are >> >> >> Sure, but you have to understand -- you're a power user. You know enough to >> do this in yum for your particular use case, which means you probably know >> enough to change the DNF settings with regards to cron-based metadata >> retrieval. What I think you're missing (and frankly, seem to miss in the >> lot of fedora-devel discussions you take part in) is that Fedora isn't >> engineered around *your* particular needs. We do things mostly by >> consensus, and aim to make it a pleasant experience for the *average* user >> (or whatever we have in the Fedora community that approximates an average >> user), and not just for power users with very specific needs and >> requirements. >> >> Whether you like it or not, one of the most common complaints about yum >> (especially from people coming from another package management system) is >> that it seems slow because of the necessity to download the metadata. The >> DNF developers -- in trying to address this common complaint -- had solved >> it by handling metadata in a different way. They've also added settings so >> that power users like you and I can tune it to better fit our particular >> needs. >> >>> >>> >>> and *no* traffic is not cheap everywhere, by far not >> >> >> I probably understand this better than a lot of people on this list, as I've >> been on a bandwidth-limited connection for the past nine years. Only in the >> past month have I been able to get high speed internet in my home that >> wasn't limited to a few gigabytes per month. So yes, I completely >> understand that traffic isn't cheap (or fast) everywhere. > > It should be at least smart enough to not do it on mobile broadband > (like packagekit does). Funny thing you mention this just when I was about to do the same! For various reasons my "home" internet access is my mobile phone and my first experience last week [1] with dnf on my main laptop was horrible. All this month's bandwidth is gone because I didn't notice dnf was downloading from every mirrors failure after failure. IMHO this feature is not ready to be on by default Dridi [1] I couldn't upgrade to heisenbug because of a fedup bug, and bandwidth limitations :) > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
