On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 01:34:09AM -0800, Dan Mashal wrote: > So where do we currently stand with this? So, here's what *I'm* thinking..... Spins clearly have enough popularity and importance that we either need to keep them or have some alternative that fills the same space and makes people at least as happy or happier. Since I don't know of any idea for alternatives, we clearly should keep that. Some spins might want to investigate alternative delivery methods. I'm thinking particularly of the non-desktop-environment spins. Some of them could maybe be delivered as groups of applications in Gnome Software (although that's also clearly not appropriate for all), or maybe there's interest in pushing the Fedora Formulas idea futher. I'd also like to see some of the restrictions on spins loosened a little bit. I think the spin/remix distinction (Fedora-only software vs. combined with other things) is good, but, for example, spins, maybe it *would* be okay to change software defaults in a way that isn't currently allowed. I think some spins are completely fine staying as spins forever. Other groups might be interested in becoming a Fedora capital-P Product. *I* don't think we want more than a handful of these, but maybe it turns out that we actually do collectively. So, for spins that are interested in targeting a particular target space, there should be a process to get there. Earlier I had suggested that I was thinking that this would parallel what Fedora does with primary and secondary architectures, and that current spins might all become "secondary products". This discussion makes me think that that's not quite right. Stanislav Ochotnický suggested that "incubating products" might be better, in line with the Apache process: https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Process_Description.html (Although we're structured somewhat differently from Apache, so we can't just lift that wholesale). Not all spins would be interested in this (again, fine), but the ones that are could have a clear path to follow. -- Matthew Miller -- Fedora Project -- <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct