On Tuesday 23 July 2013 02:34:25 Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 23.07.13 03:14, Oron Peled (oron@xxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > BTW: nobody ever answered how desktop users are supposed to read the > > output of their cron-jobs (they don't have permissions to read logs). > Actually, if you'd look closely it has been answered 3 times now, > already, just on this thread. This turned out into a huge forest of Q&A. I've read your reply to my other mail, just after sending my "BTW:..." reply to another -- sorry. However, if you've read my response you know the question wasn't really answered -- regular users only access to the output of their cron-jobs is still via email. Cron currently logs the output to the system-wide syslog which isn't accessible to regular users (just try it yourself I've tested it on F19). So as I've replied Matthew Miller few minutes ago: do you have a real (working) solution for this? If not, it's premature to remove MTA's from default install. That's without even touching the totally different use-cases for logs and email in general. -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 oron@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://users.actcom.co.il/~oron "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is." -- Yogi Berra -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel