On Monday 22 July 2013 20:18:04 Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 03:14:32AM +0300, Oron Peled wrote: > > BTW: nobody ever answered how desktop users are supposed to read the > > > > output of their cron-jobs (they don't have permissions to read logs). > > They do have permissions to read journal entries that come from their > userid. 1. Thanks, I've seen Lennart's reply regarding this in a separate sub-thread (boy, it's getting hard to follow this topic) 2. But as I've shown in my reply to him, cron-jobs output is not logged to this "personal" log, but rather to the system-wide log which isn't readable by regular users. So although the "per-user" syslog feature is really good, it doesn't apply to the case at hand. Do you have a real (i.e: working) solution for users to read the output of their own cron-jobs (besides mail of course). Without this, you propose to cut an important functionality from almost everyone (default). Instead, let's remove MTA from *minimal* install, but not from *default*. -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 oron@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://users.actcom.co.il/~oron "Normally the saying is: 'Fast, Reliable, Cheap. Pick any two.' But with Linux you can pick all three!" --from a Slashdot post -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel