On 07/22/2013 05:53 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:47:12PM +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 07/22/2013 04:34 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
This was actually not the rationale. The rationale was that it wasn't
harmful to Fedora and so if individual maintainers felt that it was
something that they wanted to ship they could.
Did the FPC even bother to test what they had approved in practices?
( Do they in general? )
Have you tried installing an legacy sysv initscript file and using
after it has been replaced with a native systemd unit.
The sysv initscripts subpackages are not for use with systemd. They are for
use at places that use systemv init scripts.
So is it safe for me to assume what you are getting at here to use with
other init system than systemd right?
If that is the case look at those what <30 components ship legacy sysv
initscript along side their native systemd unit counterpart and tell me
if you can deliver bootable Fedora using either sysv or upstart from
those components.
Needless to say that reasoning/arguments does not hold water..
When the guidelines were
initially written, having both installed was tested and they didn't cause
problems for systemd (although having both installed and still using systemd
was seen as not the use case for having the subpackages). Has something
changed in the systemd code since then that changes that equation?
No and this has nothing to do with systemd.
Again try to use what you approved and are so reluctant to remove and or
change.
Install a sub package containing a legacy sysv initscript and try to
replace that legacy sysv initscript with the unit file it has been
replaced with and remember perform update/upgrades on the components at
the same time, then tell me if you still think we should be shipping
legacy sysv initscripts once they have been migrated instead of dropping
them to avoid confusion and crappy user experience for everybody that
try to think they can still ( easily ) use it.
And there is no need for you to reply to this response on this thread
until you have done the above because you will not understand what I'm
getting at until you try this for yourself.
JBG
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