Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 18:01, Stephen Gallagher a écrit : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/22/2013 11:53 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 17:27, Matthew Miller a écrit : >>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:51:37AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >>>> I'm a bit worried about this. We really want bundled libs to >>>> eventually go away (for any particular bundled lib). This seems >>>> like it could encourage permanently bundled libs. That is going >>>> to make >>> >>> Upstream code is full of bundled libs. We are holding back the >>> ocean here. >> >> Upstream code is full of bundled lib because that's the quick and >> dirty way to get some code out and Fedora is not making the tooling >> necessary to avoid bundled libs easy enough to use. >> >> You won't get Fedora used more by adopting other OSes problems, you >> will get it used more by solving the problems of Fedora and by >> playing of Fedora strengths. Nobody cares about also-rans. >> > > We're already an also-ran. Yep, sure, we've defined our "desktop" strategy as "emulate windows as it was in the 90's when networking was a weird optional part". And when Apple and Google and Mozilla brilliantly blindsided Microsoft and used cheap commoditized networking to move some general-computing home/soho/smb functions server-side we continued to insist there was some sort of functional limit between both of those. Everyone else is building desktop/server IT continua but just the idea that having a smtpd on hand that could be used by desktop parts to delegate smtp processing is giving our desktop people fits. We'd rather depend on lots of proprietary cloud services than try to build bridges between our desktop and server offerings. We're building android without the server-side Google infra that makes it interesting. We're building windows without priorizing some AD replacement. That's why our desktop, sorry, general-purpose end-user/soho/smb offering is not attracting anyone. Just making it easy to plonk some infra services on a local vm server, or on whatever cloud hosting service is available in various countries, or as peer-to-peer architecture would make Fedora loads more attractive as desktop. (if both parts were integrated well) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
