On 07/17/2013 05:16 PM, Steve Clark wrote: > On 07/17/2013 11:05 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:00:05PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> Am 17.07.2013 11:21, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: >>>> On 07/17/2013 12:58 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote: >>>>> You still have not addressed the third party programs and scripts >>>>> that monitor /var/log/messages >>>> We honestly cant keep progress and cleanup in the distribution back out of fear of breaking some third party programs >>> you could if you want >>> >>> * only journald is running -> write to "/var/log/messages" and "/var/log/secure" additionally to the journal >>> a option in "/etc/systemd/journald.conf" to disable this >>> >>> * if a syslog-daemon is running leave "/var/log/messages" and "/var/log/secure" >>> untouched from journald >>> >>> so *if* you want you can keep progress without a large impact all the time >> >> Except ... that would still keep duplicated logs on the FS. Removing >> the duplication is the primary reason for wanting to not install >> rsyslogd by default. > This seems like such a specious argument. Note that the argument comes from the same group of people who pushed for mounting tmpfs on /run and /tmp. My machine: # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on tmpfs 3.9G 4.5M 3.9G 1% /run tmpfs 3.9G 4.9M 3.9G 1% /tmp 10 megs of *RAM* consumed. My /var/log/messages is 12 megabytes at the moment. These same people feel offended by "wasted" 12 megs of *disk space*? Please... -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
