On Mon, 15.07.13 17:02, Miroslav Suchý (msuchy@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > On 07/15/2013 03:37 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >But anyway, this is quite anecdotal. > > I was not laughing when I was on site. Hmm? Anecdotal certainly doesn't imply amusing? > If you are working on some computer game, you can target 90 % of > available audience. Or even if pulse audio will work for 99 % of > user, then it is fine. > > But these core parts should work for 100 % users. In all cases, > which are in scenarios you can imagine. And in 90 % of scenarios you > can not imagine. Or in scenarios, which are anecdotal for you. Well, if you open calculations like this one: If you type "journalctl -b" you will already get useful output if you are stuck in the initrd and in early bootup, at which point /var/log/messages is not available yet, and won't be available for quite some time still. Given that these earlier phases of the boot process are a major place where things can go wrong, I am pretty sure "journalctl" is a ton more useful then /var/log/messages to debug such hosed machines... But anyway, both of us, we can just make guesses which kind of errors are more likely. But please understand that nothing stops you from reinstalling the syslog implemention of your choice in addition to the defaults. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
