On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:00:40 +0100 Matthew Garrett <mjg59@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > 979205 got filed yesterday, which makes it incredibly difficult to > install F19 on Macs while keeping OS X. This is rather frustrating, > since Fedora's the only distribution with any significant support for > running on Apple hardware. There's two problems here: > > 1) QA apparently don't have any Macs, so it's difficult to test this > case > 2) Policy says that once the go decision has been made, there's no > way to revoke it > > (1) is something that we really need to solve, because it's clearly > unreasonable to expect community members to have a test Mac to > install every RC. > > (2) is stranger. Obviously once an image is released, we're not going > to be able to recall it, and we have no history of producing updated > install images. But right now we're in a window where we haven't > officially shipped anything and are saying we can't fix this issue > purely because we've written a policy that says we can't. It's not strange to me. Once "go" happens there's a lot of wheels that start in motion: - Press/announcements/scheduling. Things like release day parties, ordering media to give out at events, reviewers in press, etc. - Branched nightly compose is disabled, 0 day updates populated. If we needed to pick things out of updates to re-add to the base repo we would have to reverse this, which is of course possible, but a gigantic hassle, something we have never done before so likely error prone, etc. - Content is staging to mirrors. We could of course tweak this content, but mirrors are expecting it now and may not like having to re-sync large content like isos. Note that a fedora release is not "an image". It's a pretty staggering amount of content. ;) and finally the big one: - Say we ground all the wheels to a halt and slipped for this bug. Where to do we draw the line? If someone comes up with a bug at 9:50am on release morning, do we cancel everything? There has to be a point where we say "sorry, it's too late" and this has been it since it makes sense from a logistic standpoint. Hopefully this makes sense. kevin
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