On May 21, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, 2013-05-21 at 14:02 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> 1. Connect Automatically may work as designed, but it's a flawed >> design. It makes no sense to have an admin user enable a network >> through the Gnome shell toolbar icon (Network icon, flip the switch >> from Off to On), reboot, and then have no network. The widespread >> convention for all other such UI switches is that they're sticky. I >> don't have to go make them behave sticky by checking something five >> layers deep. Something I wouldn't have even considered exists as it's >> apparently unique, I've never encountered an automaticity option on >> Windows or OS X. It's a bizarre convention. Off means off, make that >> sticky through reboots. On means on, make that sticky through reboots. > > The question of whether it should be *system wide* is a different > question from whether it should *persist*. I'm just trying to figure out the simple case for now: single user who is an admin. I'm experiencing undesirable behavior. If this simple and common case isn't working out well, then I don't expect the more complex cases to work out much better. And as an ape who wears pants, I try to limit how confused I get in a given time frame. > >> 3. The naming convention of the interfaces is confusing. Sometimes >> it's ifcfg-en5s0 and sometimes ifcfg-p5p1 for the same interface and I >> don't know why. > > That's nothing to do with NM, it's the 'persistent device naming' stuff > at a lower level. Up to F18 this was being done by biosdevname, which > gave the 'p5p1' naming; in F19 it's being done by systemd, which gives > the 'en5s0' naming. There was an effort to ensure they at least both > called the most common case 'em1', but beyond that, they have different > naming schemes. Life's fun, huh. This kinda sucks, but it's not NM's > fault. There was discussion of the issue on this list earlier in the f19 > cycle. Is Gnome > Settings > Network leveraging Network Manager? If so, it's using a different naming convention than systemd, and it seems the two are involved in some non-deterministic confusion. Chris Murphy -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
